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웰스 제너레이터 (Wealth Generators) "전문가를 미러링 (Mirror the Expert)"방법을 적용하면 완전히 독특한 방식으로 FOREX에 노출됩니다. 값 비싼 소프트웨어, 차트 또는 거래실이 없습니다. 거래 시간 동안 컴퓨터에 묶일 필요가 없습니다. 우리의 전문가 팀은 기술, 기본, 핵심 일정 이벤트 및 현 행사를 활용하여 이러한 조건을 활용하는 거래를 개발합니다. 우리의 전문가는 거래 항목, 중단 손실 및 이익 목표를 공유하므로 함께 따라 잡고 위험 / 보상이 무엇인지 정확하게 볼 수 있습니다! WG Forex는 누구든지 어디서나 우리의 글로벌 통화 시장에 참여할 수 있습니다.
그리고 전문가를 "비추고"싶지는 않지만 실제로 거래의 방법과 이유를 배우고 자하는 사람들을 위해 - 우리는 당신을 대상으로합니다! 실시간 주간 트레이딩 룸, 교육용 비디오 및 라이브 마켓 전문가 세션을 통해 자신의 트레이딩 능력을 배우고, 상호 작용하고, 연마 할 수 있습니다.
외환 시장 (외환 또는 FX)은 가장 흥미 진진하고 빠르게 진행되는 시장 중 하나입니다. 최근까지 외환 시장에서의 외환 거래는 대형 금융 기관, 기업, 중앙 은행, 헤지 펀드 및 매우 부유 한 개인의 영역이었습니다. 인터넷의 출현으로이 모든 것이 바뀌 었습니다. 이제 Wealth Generators "Mirror the Expert"방법을 사용하여 통화를 매매 할 수 있습니다!
낮은 계정 최저 가격으로 시작하십시오. 세계 시장의 거래 통화 거래 하루 24 시간, 주 5 일 낮은 거래 비용으로 거래하십시오. 높은 유동성으로 자산을 현금으로 전환하십시오. 거래하는 동안 레버리지를 활용하십시오.
외상 ALERT 유형.
FX 활성 경고.
FX 액티브는 통화 시장의 빠른 속도를 좋아하는 사람들에게 이상적입니다. 이러한 거래는 몇 시간에서 하루 정도 지속될 것으로 예상됩니다. FX 외환 거래는 일주일 내내 하루 24 시간 세계 어느 곳에서나 가능하므로 언제든지 발권 될 수 있습니다.
FX 스윙 경고.
FX 스윙 전략은 며칠에서 수주 동안 지속될 것으로 예상됩니다. 우리의 시장 전문가들은 세계 경제 상황, 예정된 뉴스 및 기술 패턴을 활용하여 예상 방향으로 움직일 가능성이 더 높은 전략을 제공합니다.
FX 매크로 경고.
FX Macro는 통화 시장에 대한보다 폭 넓은 전망을 가진 전략입니다. 이들은 정치적 사건으로 인한 우려와 추세를 고려하여 몇 주에서 몇 달 동안 지속되도록 고안되었습니다.
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Forex는 사기입니다!
Forex는 사기입니다!
나는 잠시 공부하고 연습했고, 살기 시작하자마자 MM은 당신의 무역에 반대해야합니다. 그들은 큰 은행과 함께 돈을 벌었습니다.
나는 그들이 당신의 거래를 분석하고 그것을 반대하는 것을 느낀다고 느낍니다.
이것은 내가 분명히 불만을 가진 전직 외환 거래자로부터받은 것입니다. 그는 처음으로 그 성명을 발표 한 사람이 아니며, 나는 그가 마지막이되지 않았 음을 확신합니다. 나는 거의 20 년 동안 상인 및 / 또는 분석가로서 외환 시장에 관여 해왔다. 나는 당신이 내가 그 주제에 서있는 곳을 알아낼 수 있다고 생각한다.
시장 만들기.
외환을 forex라고 부르는 일차적 인 주장은 forex 중개인이 시장을 만드는 행동에서 상대방의 입장을 취한다는 사실입니다. 따라서 그들은 상기 브로커가 당신과 거래하고 있다고 결론을 내립니다.
우선, 모든 외환 브로커가 시장 제조사는 아닙니다. 일부는 ECN입니다. 그들은 주식 시장 브로커처럼 시장에 주문을 전달합니다. 그들은 시장에서 일하지 않고 포지션을 취하지 않기 때문에 퍼짐을 얻지 못한다. 그들은 대신 수수료로 돈을 벌어들입니다.
아, 그런데 모든 주식 거래가 똑같은 방식으로 이루어 지는 것은 아닙니다. 일부 브로커는 특정 주식 시장에서 역할을합니다. 당신이 그들을 통해 그 주식을 거래한다면 그들은 비 ECN 외환 중개인이하는 것과 똑같은 일을합니다. 나는 누군가가 사기라고 부르는 것을 생각하지 않는다. (양동이 상점의 경우를 제외하고). 더 나아가, 은행 간 시장의 전체적인 기반 & # 8211; 모든 장외 시장 및 & # 8211; 구매자와 판매자 및 마켓 메이커 간의 거래입니다. 인터 뱅크 외환 시장에서 은행은 서로간에 그리고 고객이자 자금과 회사와의 시장 매매자입니다.
그 외에 모든 시장에 시장 제조사가 있습니다. 그들은 꾸준한 유동성을 제공합니다. 그들은 항상 견적을 제공하고 무역의 다른면을 취할 준비를함으로써 그렇게합니다. 시장이 없으면 시장의 운영이 원활하지 않을 것입니다. 원칙적으로 모든 시장의 시장은 단순히 확산을 반복적으로 보입니다. 그들은 일반적으로 포지션을 취하지는 않지만 순수한 중립적 인 입장을 취합니다.
마켓 메이커로 활동하는 외환 브로커는 기본적으로 동일한 방식으로 운영됩니다. 그들은 고객 유치와 단식을 상쇄하고 있습니다. 때로는 균형이 과도합니까? 확실한. 그러한 경우 그들은 노출을 유지하는지 또는 시장에서 상쇄하는지 여부를 결정하는 내부 프로세스를 가지고 있습니다. 다른 중개인은 그 점에서 여러 가지 방식으로 처리합니다.
실행 중지.
사기범이 외환 중개인에 관해서하는 다른 주장 중 하나는 사람들이 사람들을 멈추게한다는 것입니다. 맞춰봐? 그 불만은 수년간 시장에있었습니다. 모든 시장. 선물 시장의 거래자들은 그런 종류의 행동으로 유명한 것으로 추정됩니다. 그래도 여기에 있습니다. 거래 흐름을 용이하게하고 돈을 버는 시장과 시장 제작자가 존재합니다. 그들은 그 흐름을 증가시키는 것이 무엇이든 할 것입니다. 정기적으로 달리기를 포함 할 수 있습니다.
그러나 이러한 종류의 조치는 중앙 집중식 시장에서 널리 분산 된 외환 시장보다 조금 쉬워졌습니다. 외환 시장의 브로커와 딜러는 일반적으로 비즈니스를 잃을 수 없으므로 가격을 긴밀하게 유지합니다. 따라서 달리기를 멈추는 것이 쉽지 않습니다. 그것은 그러한 종류의 일을하기 위해 다양한 시장 제작자들 사이에서 매우 조율 된 노력이 필요합니다.
대부분의 경우, forex 상인에서 오는 정지 실행의 주장은 시장에 너무 가까이 그들의 중지를두고 정상적인 변동성에 의해 꺼내지고 불타지고 사람들은 아무것도 아니다.
너 자신의 거래를 보라.
내가 forex가 사기라는 주장을하는 사람에게 물어볼 질문은 의미있는 성공 기록이있는 거래 시스템을 보여줄 수 있는지 여부와 설계된대로 시스템을 따라 갔는지 여부입니다. 많은 상인들이 데모 거래에서 비교적 짧은 기간을 보내고 실제의 입증 된 방법으로는 좋은 수익을 올린 다음 실제 돈에 있어서는 상황이 매우 다르다는 것을 알게됩니다. 이것은 중개인보다 상인에 관한 것입니다.
귀하의 중개인이 귀하의 특정 공개 포지션을 검토한다는 아이디어 & # 8211; 주어진 시간에 모든 고객들 사이에서 열릴 수있는 수천 개의 거래 중 & # 8211; 극단적으로 자기 중심적이고 자기 중심적이다.
Forex 중개인을 만드는 시장에 정말로 문제가 있다면 ECN을 통해 거래하십시오.
외환 시장에서 사기가 있습니까? 의심의 여지가 없습니다. 어느 곳에서나 돈을 많이 벌면 사기꾼을 찾을 수 있습니다. 특별한 주장을하는 사람들을 피하고 규제 된 회사에 충실한다면 희생자가되는 것을 피할 수 있습니다.
이 공유:
소식 탐색.
회신을 남겨주 답장을 취소하십시오.
& # 8220; 데모 & # 8221; 실제로 여러 플랫폼을 테스트하기 위해 하나 이상의 계정을 열었습니다. 이 데모 계좌에는 모두 라이브 차트가 있습니다. 일부 브로커는 한정된 일수 동안 데모 계좌의 가용성을 제한 할 수 있지만, 데모 계좌가 부족할 것 같지 않은 많은 벤더가 있습니다. 계정에 장기간 액세스 할 수 있습니다.
어쨌든, 내 요점은 & # 8230; 마켓 메이커가 특별히 거래를한다고 생각한다면 다른 공급 업체 차트를 확인하십시오! 분명히 한 마켓 메이커는 당신보다 다른 모든 차트에 영향을 미치지 않습니다.
나는 아직도 데모 모드에 있지만 겉으로보기에는 정기적으로 거래를하고 있습니다. 포기하고 내 입장을 탈락하는 순간과 거의 같아 보인다. 시장은 내 방향으로 곧바로 움직인다. 예측할 수 없을 것 같습니다. 그래서 다른 차트를 확인했습니다. 범람 외에, 그들은 동일했던가요? 머피의 법과 무경험 만이 나의 유일한적임을 증명합니다.
예, Forex는 사기처럼 운영됩니다! 이 헤지 펀드와 주요 기관들은 수주와 수십억 달러를 들여 모든 주문이 거래되고 있음을보고 모든 작은 거래자들이 휩쓸 리게 만듭니다. 이 기사를 쓰는 녀석은 산업계에서 일하면서 큰 소년을 보호하고 있기 때문에 기분이 좋지 않습니다. & # 8221; 그것은, B. S. 내가 트레이드를 연습 할 때 트렌드는 예측대로 지속 되는가? 하지만 큰 주문을하면 즉시 방향을 바꾸고 나를 닦아 낸다. 외환 시장에서 벗어나십시오. 규제가 없으므로 사기를 털어 놓습니다.
forex 또는 중개인 결함 친구 아닙니다 당신의 결함이다!
제안 : 더 많은 책을 읽으십시오!
나를 웃게 만들어라. 🙂
기사를 쓰는 & # 8221; 나는 편견이 없다. 나는 현재 어떤 은행, 직위, 기금, 또는 어떤 시장에서든 직책을 맡거나 거래를 관리하는 데 관련된 다른 기관을 위해 일한 적이 없으며 그렇게하지도 않았습니다. 애널리스트로서의 제 업무는 제 3 자 기반 분석을 제공하는 그룹을 대상으로합니다. FXCM과 Oanda forex 상인 모두에게 무료로 (그리고 다른 방법을 원한다면 누구에게나 가입하여) 우리의 forex 논평 (현재 주식 있음, 나는 forex에있는 것이 었음)을 볼 수 있지만, # 8217 m 기관에 편향된 것은 완전한 농담입니다.
그리고 Forex는 점점 더 규제되고 있습니다.
나는 외환 거래가 사기라는 주장과 반대 주장을 가지고 여러 사람들을 읽고들을 수 있습니다. 개인적으로 외환 플랫폼 인 AVAfx와 거래합니다. 제가 경험 한 바는 언제든지 무역 준비를위한 플랫폼을 열었을 때, 나의 참여없이 그 추세에 대해 자동적으로 입장이 열릴 것이라는 것입니다. 이 사건을 AVAfx에보고했지만 그것이 내 컴퓨터에 바이러스라고 주장했습니다. 나는 컴퓨터를 형성하고 바이러스 백신을 설치했다. 똑같은 일이 일어났다.
내 질문은 그 때 위치가 동향에 반대하고 동향의 방향으로 열린 것이 아니라는 것입니다. 좌절감과 함께, 나는 나의 기금의 나머지를 wthdrew하도록 강요 당했다.
Adewole을 공유해 주셔서 감사합니다. 나는 AVAfx를 다루지 않았으므로 개인적으로 논평 할 수는 없다.
우리가 지금 본 것처럼, 규제 당국이 자신들의 laurals에 다시 앉아있는 동안 은행, 헤지 펀드, 대형 보험 대리점, 신용 평가 기관 및 기타 기관이 몇 백만 억 달러 이상의 사기 행각에 결탁 한 것을 보았으므로 Joe를 대중에게 납득 시키려면 훨씬 더 많은 것을 요구합니다. 인터넷 페이지에있는 몇 마디 말고 돈을 가지고 조직 된 돈을 만드는 시스템을 신뢰하십시오. 나는 아직 내가 확신하지 못했고, 실제 forex 시장에 직접 접근 할 수있는 외환 중개인을 신뢰하기 전에 더 많은 proove가 필요할 것입니다.
나는 집에서 돈을 버는 방법을 찾기 위해 필사적으로 찾고있다. 나는 거래 현장에 들어가기를 좋아하지만 어디서부터 시작해야하는지, 아니면 좋은 아이디어인지는 모른다. Im는 배우는 시간에서 투자하게 기꺼이한다. 심지어 작은 시작하고 그것을 구축하는 시간이 걸릴 기꺼이 임. 하지만 다시 시작해야하지 & # 8230; 주식으로 시작할 것인가? Forex를해야합니까? 나는 둘 사이의 차이를 간신히 알고있다. 오늘날의 경제에서도 실행 가능한 옵션입니까?
Kris & # 8211; 나는 당신이 나의 입문 트레이닝 과정이나 책을 보길 강력히 권합니다. 그들은 특별히 시장에 참여하고 싶고 올바른 일을 원하지만 좋은 출발점이 필요한 사람들과 같이 사람들을 위해 특별히 작성되었습니다.
Kris, Forex로부터 수입을 얻지 못하면 98 %의 사람들이 당신을 닦아 낼 수있는 규제되지 않은 시장이기 때문에 1 년 동안 돈을 잃습니다. 그들은 당신이 시작한 가격으로 거래를하지도 않습니다. 스톡은 규제를 받기 때문에 쉬워 지지만, 세계의 모든 스킬을 통해 (프로와 같이) 약 2/3의 돈을 잃을 것이므로 손실을 줄이고 세 번째 주식을 거대한 이익으로 소득을 창출 할 기회가있다. 그 이야기의 실제면은 자주 듣지 않습니다.
마크 & # 8211; 당신이 들었을 수도있는 것과는 달리, 외환은 점점 더 규제되고 있습니다. 미국에서는 CFTC와 NFA를 감독했습니다. 적어도 미국에서는 야생 서구가 아니 었습니다. 나는 다른 나라와 이야기 할 수 없다.
적절한 가격으로 사형을받지 못했다는 의견에 관해서는 기대했던 것 이상의 필을하지 못했을 때 나는 수년간의 거래 중 언제든지 생각할 수 있습니다 (또는 그렇다면 브로커가이를 수정하지 않았습니다). 당신이 문제를 겪고 있다면, 당신이하고있는 일이나 브로커가 부적절한 일을하고있는 것 (실제로 당신이 거래를하기를 원하지는 않을 것입니다.)에 문제가있는 것입니다.
주식은 더 쉽지도 어렵지도 않다. 모든 실수가 상인을 끌어들입니다. 유일한 차이점은 허용되는 레버리지입니다. 저를 믿으십시오, 규칙은 돈을 잃기의 더 적은 기회를 예정하지 않는다. 결국 규제로 엔론이나 불행한 주주를 무너 뜨린 다른 스캔들을 막을 수 없었습니다.
수백만 명의 사람들이 생존 할 수있는 기회가 필요합니다. 브로커 웹 사이트, nfa 및 ctfc 웹 사이트를 조사한 후 모든 불만 사항을 조사한 결과 외환 시장은 합법적이지만 외환 브로커는 그렇지 않다고 결론을 내 렸습니다. 그것은 외환 시장을 거래하는 사기입니다. 그것은 엄격히 규제되고 집행되어야합니다. 외환 시장은 모든 사람이 필요로하는 위대한 기회를 가지고 있지만 돈을 속여 거짓말하고 돈을 훔치는 모든 비뚤어진 중개인 때문에 낭비입니다.
Forex 중개인은 & # 8211; 적어도 미국에서는. 그들은 NFA를 통해 CTFC 감독하에 있습니다.
나는 거의 모든 돈을 잃어 큰 거래를했다. 다른 한편으로는 작은 tades는 1000 % 이상의 게인을 만들었습니다. 그것은 누군가가 큰 거래에 대해 거래한다는 것을 나타냅니다.
마크 & # 8211; 아니면 단순히 큰 거래로 너무 많은 위험을 감수하고 위험을 낮추면 드랍 다운이 거의 피해를 입지 않았을 수 있습니까?
나는 처음부터 마크 공통점을 읽었습니다. 나는 당신이 어떻게 마크를 느끼고 당신과 완전히 동의하는지 안다. 나는 생계를 위해 거래하며 나는 주식 시장에서 아주 잘합니다. 그러나 Forex 시장은 완전히 새로운 게임입니다. 모든 틱은 은행 간, 모든 틱이 움직이기 때문에 움직입니다. 은행이 자신의 이익을 위해 돈을 버는 사람, 누군가이기려면 누군가를 잃어야합니다. 돈은 어디서 왔는지 모릅니다. 당신은 거래를하고 완성하기 위해 팔아야하는 물건을 가져 가야합니다. 왜 5 % 이하가 시장에 나올지 궁금하지 마십시오. 6 개월 이내에 계정이 95 % 날아갑니다. 이 돈을 시도해 보지 않으려면 돈이 필요합니다. 무작위로 구매하거나 판매하십시오. 30 pip SL 30 pip TP. 약 100 또는 1000 거래를 위해 그것을하십시오. 약 90 %의 시간에 당신은 SL에 맞을 것이고 그것은 주식처럼 50/50 기회가 될 수 없습니다.
나는 그들의 시장 조작이 많고 트레이 더스가 정말로 자신의 메일을 믿기 시작했다고 생각한다. 특정 경제 분석가들은 시장 조건을 설정하기를 원하는 사람들을 위해 일하는 기관에 대해 아무 말없이 말할 수 있습니다. 석유 선물은 하나의 좋은 예이며, OPEC이 마침내 생산을 1 ~ 2 번 절단하여 결국 모두에게 불렀을 때 추락했다. 오스트레일리아 달러는 세계에서 6 번째로 거래되는 통화입니다. & # 8211; 그 상태에 자격이 없다. & # 8211; 그러나 상인은 그것을 안전하고 조작 할 수있는 것으로 본다.
대형 펀드 매니저는 시장을 요구 사항에 쉽게 맞출 수 있습니다.
좋아, 여기서 그것은 Forex (또는 일반적으로 거래)에 대한 진실이다. 시장은 완전히 무작위이므로 일관되게 능숙 해지는 것은 불가능합니다. 시간이 지나면 어떤 전략을 사용하든 돈을 잃게되고 돈은 브로커의 주머니로 간다. 시장에 어느 정도의 예측 가능성이 있다면, 아무도 없기 때문에 돈을 버는 법을 배울 것입니다. 도박과 같은 것입니다. 즉, 카지노에 가면 같은 기회를 얻거나 잃을 수 있습니다. 승자의 5 %는 결코 존재하지 않았으며 결코 존재하지 않았고 결코 존재하지 않을 것입니다! 나는 당신에게 스포츠 세계와 완벽한 유추를 제공 할 것입니다. 전문가들은 큰 근육을 개발하거나 스테로이드없이 9 초 이내에 100 미터를 돌리는 것은 불가능하다는 것을 알고 있습니다. 그러나, 그것을했다는 맹세를하는 고객의 증언 (도핑 검사에서 잡히지 않은 사람, 진정한 극한)이 있습니다. 그들은 단순히 대중에게 거짓말하기 위해 돈을 지불하기 때문에 꿈은 계속 될 수 있습니다.
시장은 동일합니다. 진짜 돈을 투자하려고 생각한다면, 그렇게해라. 재미와 흥분 때문에, 순수한 운이 아니라고해도 돈을 벌 수는 없어.
모두에게 좋은 거래.
사실 여기에 불평하는 사람들은 제대로 거래하는 방법을 모르겠다. 왜 당신은 스스로를 팔아서이 손실을 감수하고 있습니까? 물론 시장은 무너질 것입니다. 거래하는 동안 실제로 그것을 따랐다면 결국 이익을 얻을 수 있다는 것을 쉽게 확신 할 수 있습니다. 낮은 구매 및 높은 판매. 간단합니다. 분명히 시장에는 약간의 변동이있을 것이지만 큰 소리로 외치는 것에는 조금 인내심을 가지고 시장을 부유 한 빠른 계획으로 생각하지 마십시오.
나는 12 년 이상의 온라인 거래 경험이있는 주식 거래자입니다. 나는 FOREX에 관하여 나 자신을 교육했다. 어떤 전문가도 여기에 없다. 그러나 나는 그의 벨트의 아래에서 11 개월의 FOREX 거래와 더불어 다음 녀석만큼 많이 알고있다. 여기에 요점 : 11 개월 동안 1,455 건의 거래가 이루어진 후, 내 거래의 89.9 %가 손실로 이어졌습니다. 모든 종류의 거래 : 2 분간의 두피에서 거의 10 개월 동안 지속되는 거래까지. 나는 수많은 기술 분석 도구를 사용했으며, 그 중 많은 것이 내 주식 거래에서 유용하고 수익성이 있다는 것이 입증되었습니다.
모든 거래가 있기 전에 동전을 뒤집 었음에도 불구하고 나는 손실과 이익면에서 약 50 %를 차지할 것입니다. 코인 플립 거래의 나쁜 날에는 거의 1/3의 시간 (33 %)이 될 것입니다. 거의 90 %의 시간이 잘못되는 것은 사실상 불가능합니다. & # 8211; 어떤 경우 에라도. 그것을 지원할 수학적 모델은 없습니다. 없음. 차트가 제시 한 것과 정확히 정반대로해도 90 %의 시간 틀린 것은 아닙니다. 불가능하다. 따라서 유일한 논리적 인 설명은 FOREX 시장이 고정되어 있다는 것입니다. 어느 정도까지, 나는 알지 못한다. 그러나 다른 설명은 없습니다.
잘 했어. CFTC에보고 된 통계에 따르면 소매 외환 거래자의 약 30 %가 매 분기마다 돈을 벌고 있음을 알 수 있으므로 분명 불가능합니다. 따라서 논리는 처음부터 결함이 있습니다. 그리고 그것은 win %가 수익성에서 결정적인 요인이라고 가정합니다.
NFA 통계에 따르면 소매 외환 거래자의 99.6 %가 돈을 잃어 버렸습니다. & nbsp; 평균 손실은 약 $ 16,000입니다. & # 8221; 너와 네 거짓말이 지옥에서 타 오를거야. 이것을 기억.
최근 NFA가 수익성에 대해보고 한 내용 중 일부를 보았습니다. 99.6 % 또는 $ 16,000의 손실은 없었습니다. 소스에 대한 링크를 제공하십시오.
실제로 요점은 이렇습니다 : 가격 책정 (주로 FX 시장에서)은 항상 시장의 잘못된쪽에 있다고 믿게 만듭니다. 그래서 모든 거래가 거래를 잃어 버리는 이유입니다. & # 8220; 맞다 & # 8221; 몇 분 후에 너의 호의에있는 스파이크가 있으면 않는 한, 너의 열리는 가격 및 stoploss 사이에 가격이 진동하는 그러나, 너의 신경은 지키지 않을 것이다, 그래서 1 개 점에 너는 아마 손실 또는 손익 분기에있는 무역을 닫을 것이다, 몇 시간 후에 당신이 옳았다는 것을 발견했습니다. 또는 귀하의 무역에 약간의 이익이있을지라도 큰 이익이 발생하기 전에 거래가 종결됩니다.
다른 경우에는 & # 8220; 잘못된 & # 8221; 시장에 나올 때, 당신은 아마 stoploss에서 맞을 것입니다, 또는 당신은 시간 안에 무역을 닫지 않을 것입니다, 왜냐하면 그것은 틀린 것으로 받아들이 기 어렵 기 때문에 & # 8230;
이야기의 끝 : 당신이 옳거나 그름에 빠지면 항상 잘못된 순간에 나옵니다. 짧은 이익과 큰 손실이 추가됩니다.
어쨌든, 최고의 거래 층은 좋은 해에 20 % 이상을 만들지 말고 50 %라고 말하십시오. 그렇다면 최상의 경우 20 %를 벌 수있는 돈을 버는 이유는 무엇입니까? 20k를 얻기 위해 100k를 가라. 그러나 50k를 잃어 버릴 위험이있다. & # 8230; ?
정말 말이되지 않습니다.
Dick Hertz는 당신이 거래가 좋지 않아서. & # 8230;
LOL. 예, 그렇습니다. 모두 유나이티드 스테이츠 정부가 우리에게 말하는 것을 모두 믿게합시다. 상품 선물 거래위원회 (Commodity Futures Trading Commission) 위원들은 지난 수년간 Madoff 감사를 실시한 SEC 직원들과 점심을 먹었지? 와우, 누군가 실제로 기사를 쓰는 데 돈?
나는 CFTC에 의해보고 된 적이 없다. 나는에 말했다. 중개인이 수치를보고합니다. 어쩌면 당신은 그들도 믿고 싶어하지 않을 것입니다. 벌금. 도대체 무엇이. 나는 여기에 관해 논쟁을 시작하지 않을 것이다. 그러나, 당신은 방법의 한 방법과 시간 프레임에서 시간 프레임으로 튀는 경험의 증거가 거의 없다는 것을 의미합니다. 나는 1 년이라는 훌륭한 성과를 토대로 광채를 주장하는 사람에게도 똑같이 말합니다.
이기는 %는 이익에서 결정적인 요인이 아닙니까 ?? 말해봐 & # 8212; 오바마 행정부에서 일하는 거지? 위로는 아래로; 부채는 좋다. 세금 인상은 수입 증가를 의미합니다. 언젠가는 자동차가 방구로 달릴 것입니다. 하루 일과를 그만 두지 마십시오. 나는 이것이 금융과 아무런 관계가 없길 바란다. 그리고 그렇게된다면, 아무도 듣지 않기를 바랍니다.
매우 높은 승리율을 보였지만 성능이 매우 좋지 않은 시스템을 보여줄 수있는 것을 보았습니다. (그 반대도 마찬가지입니다.) & # 8211; 당신은 아마도 당신 자신을 생각할 수 있습니다. & # 8211; 분명히 %는 수익성의 결정 요인이 아닙니다. 방정식의 일부분이지만 확실한 것은 아니지만 전부는 아닙니다. 이것은 초보자들이 고집하는 것들 중 하나입니다.
전형적인 벽 거리 crappola. dick hertz & # 8217; s (위대한 손잡이!) 요점이 잘 잡혀 있습니다. 운동은 궁극적으로 위 또는 아래입니다. 1000 번 이상의 거래가 조작 된 상태에서 100 번 중 89 번 거래가 성사 될 수는 없습니다. 이기는 %는 결정적인 요인이 아닙니까? 롤. 좋아, 빨간 삭스와 양키 한테 말해. 이 말도 안되는 소리는 왜 정규 미국인들이 월가와 부패한 해적들로 가득 채워지는지에 대한 이유입니다. 거짓말, 속임수 그리고 변화를위한 속도, 더 많은 거짓말.
당신은 진지하게 야구와 거래를 비교하고 있습니까? 진심으로? 말다툼에 대해 이야기하십시오.
야구에서의 승리는 바이너리입니다. 당신은이기거나 당신은 돈을 쓰지 않습니다. 실황 차이는 중요하지 않습니다. 거래에서 차별화가 가장 중요합니다. 100 번에서 99 번 우승하고 100 번 트레이드가 나머지 트레이드에서 모든 이익을 닦아 낸다면 99 %의 시간을 얻은 차이는 없습니다. 주위를 뒤집는다면, 70 %의 시간을 잃지 만 나머지 30 %는 녹색으로 잘 돌아갈만큼 큰 승자가된다면, 30 %의 승리율 만있는 것이 중요합니까?
이것은 승자의 크기가 결정적인 요소라고 말하는 것은 아닙니다. 그것은 당신의 성과를 결정하는 승률과 손실의 상대적인 크기와 승률의 조합입니다.
당신이 hertz의 주요 경쟁에 대해 언급하지 못했다는 점은 여전히 주목할 만합니다. & gt; & gt; 아무도 시간의 89 %를 잘못 넘을 것입니다. 나는 수학 교사가 없으며, 나는 대학원 학위를 소지하고 있지 않다. 그러나 나는 인생에서의 phd를 가지고 있으며, 살아있는 수십 년 동안 아무도 (현명하고, 바보 같은, 전문가 또는 초보자) 아무도 문자열을 당기는 사람없이 100 명 중 89 번이나 스누커에 빠지게된다고합니다. 기간.
모든 종류의 시간 틀을 사용하고 1 년 넘게 거래 스타일을 사용하는 것을 인정한 한 개인의 표본이 어떤 것이 든 충분한 증거가 아니라고 말했을 때 당신은 분명히주의를 기울이지 않았습니다. 좋은, 나쁜, 그렇지 않으면 & # 8211; 아무리 많은 거래. 물론 그가 아무런 이름도없고 규제되지 않은 중개인과 거래를하고 있다면 잠재적 인 속임수를 허용 할 수도 있습니다. 그렇지 않으면 고용 된 방법론이 수익성이 있어야한다는 증거를 보여주십시오.
물론 진짜 질문은 왜 백 달러가 너무 낮 았을 때 처음 100 번 정도의 거래를 한 후에 누군가가 거래를 중단하지 않을 것입니다 (최소한 살아야합니다).
네가 시간의 90 %를 잃어 버릴 수 있다고 확신 할 수 있습니다. "잘 할 때만 놓으면 너무 욕심을 느끼지 않아도 빠져 나갈 수 없습니다." 잃기 시작하면 통증을 감출 수 없으므로 항상 상실감을 느낍니다.
여기에 그 가치가 무엇인지에 대한 의견이 있습니다. 저는 8 년 이상 있습니다.
지난 4 년간 풀 타임으로 거래되어 10 시간 이상 근무한 경험.
시장 참여를 유도하는 날. 나는 교육받은 (바보), 성숙한 성인입니다.
러셀 그룹 (Russell Group) 대학에서 수학했으며 10 년 이상 프로그래밍 경험을 쌓은 경험이 있습니다.
& # 8220; 정교한 & # 8221; (또는 어리석은) OTC 시장에서 포함될 수 있습니다. 나는.
가능한 모든 기술적 분석, 시간대,
ECN, MM 및 확산 베팅 플랫폼과 수동 및 자동화 기능을 제공합니다. 나는 내 생애 최고의 가장 유익한 생산적인 해를 외환 시장을 이겨내는 데 투입했다. 짧은 이야기를 짧게 자르기 위해, 나는 적어도 한 번 이상 블록 주위에 있었고 그것을 증명할가는 선을 가지고있다.
FX 시장과 잠재력을 고려할 때.
조작, "하얀 거짓말"PR 소리는 종종 진흙 투성이로 사용되었습니다.
물은 외환 시장이 조작하기에 너무 크다는 것입니다.
매일 거래. 거대한 소리가 난다고? 그러나 어떤 신뢰 트릭과 마찬가지로, 그것의.
규모의 것; 그 금액을 모든 다른 시장으로 나눌 때,
시간, 분, 초로 그날을 단정 짓습니다.
대부분의 액체 쌍을 EUR / USD로 이동하려면 초당 2 백만 달러의 유동이 필요합니다.
가장 바쁜 시간 & # 8211; 적은 액상 쌍에 대해서는 a를 움직이는데 필요한 액수가 필요하다.
시장은 가련합니다. MM에 2 백만의 가치가있는 것은 무엇입니까? 글쎄, 많은 소매 상인.
레버리지를 사용하여 1 백만개의 로트와 거래 & # 8230; 그래서 대답은 MM에게, 그것입니다.
별로 가치가 없다.
돌이 차가운 진리는 만일 당신이 근처에 정거장을 두었다면.
시장에서 압도적 인 대다수를 치를 것이고 그렇습니다.
구체적으로 목표로 삼았고, 그렇습니다. 쉽게 할 수 있습니다. & # 8230; 시장에있는 누구에게나 물어보십시오.
경험 만들기. MM이 합법적으로 허용되지 않았다면 요점까지.
그렇게하면 한 달 안에 사업을 중단하게 될 것입니다. 소매 투자자로서.
장외 시장의 단기 참여자로서의 영혼의 목적은 MM & # 8217;
그들은 미래의 날짜에 평신도의 조건으로 가격을 해고 할 수 있도록 책을 썼다. 당신.
테이블에있는 어리 석다. 이 기능은 (오해 된) 종류가 아닙니다.
당신이 무역과 기관을 배치하거나 다른 투자자가 다른 것을 가져 간다.
바로 그 순간, 그리고 그 주자는 그 시점에서 & # 8230; 당신의 기능.
MM의 이익 마진을 암묵적으로 확대하여 그들이 얻을 수 있다는 것입니다.
미래에 커다란 히트를 치루어야합니다.
이것은 몇 분, 며칠 또는 몇 주에 걸쳐 발생할 수 있습니다. & # 8220; 중립적 인 책 & # 8221;
오해와 주관적 개념입니다. MM은 a를 움직일 수있다.
시장에서 약간의 거리를두고 여전히 제약 조건 내에서 완전히 중립을 유지해야합니다.
그들의 비즈니스 모델을
당신은 유동성 & # 8221; 퍼팅으로 시장에.
현물 시장의 99 %를 차지하는 것이 아니라 MM의 P & L 마진으로 계산합니다.
소매 유통 시장은 현물 시장 근처 어디에도 가지 않으며, 실제 비즈니스가 이루어집니다.
매우 특권층의 기관 거래자들 사이의 개인 플랫폼에
& # 8220; 서로 이야기하십시오. & # 8221; 그것이 당신에게 제공되고 격려받는 이유입니다.
레버리지를 사용하십시오 (대부분의 경우 레버리지없이 거래하는 옵션은 그렇지 않습니다).
심지어 존재한다! 왜 그것, 그 목적을 패배시킬 것인가?, 당신의 평범한 금액.
은행 계좌는 단지 충분히 일을하지 않을 것입니다). 여기는 길고 짧다.
그것; 그것은 시장 은행과 유동성이라는 중앙 은행의 이익을위한 것이 아닙니다.
공급자는 특히 소매 투자자가 아닌 어려움에 직면해야합니다.
따라서, 그들은 각기 다른 종류의 특권을 부여하여 각각을 왜곡합니다.
그리고 그들의 모든 호의에서 결과는 이동을 허용하는 것을 포함합니다.
마켓 소매업 자의 소매업은 빵과 버터입니다. 귀하의 마켓 메이커에게 중앙 은행과 해당 관할 구역의 규제 기관에 입력 한 계약을 보여달라고 요청하십시오.
또한, 익명의 연기 스크린에 속지 마십시오.
ECN을 통해 제공됩니다. 합법적 인면을 깊이 들여다 보면 알 수 있습니다.
모든 ECN & # 8217; 제공자는 모든 개인을 공유 할 수있는 조항을 가지고 있습니다.
데이터 & # 8221; 그들의 유동성 공급자와. 한번 생각해보십시오.
다음은 스위스 중개인의 법적인 내용을 한마디로 요약 한 것입니다.
& # 8220; Dukascopy Europe은 모든 개인을 양도 할 권리가 있습니다.
고객의 데이터, 거래 기록 및 제출 된 기타 모든 정보.
고객 또는 비즈니스 과정에서 획득 한 정보.
관계, 계열사 또는 거래 상대방에게
소비 및 소비에 대한 책임을진다.
합의. & # 8221; 그래서 변호사는 없지만.
우리 모두 익명 성 전제가 농담이라고 동의 할 수 있다고 생각합니다.
그것이 스위스 라하더라도이 회사가 합법적으로 라트비아에 기반을 둔 이유입니다.
어디에서 무역 설명 요구 사항이 쉽게 스커트됩니다.
전체 산업; 분석가, 기술 분석가, 중개인,
전문가, 평론가, 언론인, 소프트웨어 개발자 등 무의식적으로 모든 사람들은 FX 상인으로서 편안한 삶을 누릴 수 있다고 확신합니다.
독립적 인 FX 상인으로 살기는 아마도 지금까지 가장 바보 같은 일입니다.
개인은 고려할 수 있습니다, 그것은 자살에 국경을 맞 춥니 다.
자주. 표면을 충분히 긁어 내면 많은 것을 발견 할 수 있습니다.
어리석은 욕망의 기간에 의해 난파 된 곤경에 처한 사람들.
아무것도 얻지 마라. 단지 그들은 단지 많은 것을 얻지 못한다는 것을 알기 위해서입니다.
그들이 줄 수있는 모든 것에 대해. 여러분을 조심하십시오, 거래는 당신을 파괴 할 수 있습니다.
너를 쓰라린 겸손한 개인으로 이끌고 너에게 아주 잔인한 것을 가르쳐.
교훈 ... 돈을 가진 사람들은 그것을 지키고 자합니다. 너 한테 말하지 마.
경고받지 못했다. 내 인생의 가장 큰 실수는 내가 똑똑하다고 가정하는 것이었다.
똑똑한 사람들이 정말로 중요하지 않았을 때 하루 거래 (두피,
스윙, 소음) 게임이 조작되었습니다.
아론 & # 8211; 특히 4 조원의 일일 거래 규모의 환상에 대해 매우 좋은 지적을합니다. 특히 환율의 주요 동인 인 현물 거래가 그 총액의 절반 이하를 차지하기 때문입니다. 그래도 나는 두 가지 일을 되 돌린다.
먼저 EUR / USD를 움직일 때 $ 2mln / 분이라고 언급했으나 시장을 움직이게하려면 그러한 볼륨을 유지해야합니다. 주문 흐름이 중단 되 자마자 시장이 복귀하기 시작합니다. 짧은 기간에 시장이 빠르게 움직이는 주문 클러스터 (실행 중지 등)가 발생하지만 명령이 일단 취소되면 다시 이동합니다. 즉, 단기간에 조작이 가능하지만 그 이상의 위험없이 (모든 시장에서 동일한 방식으로) 성취하기가 훨씬 더 어렵습니다.
둘째, 나는 많은 소매 상인이 있다고 말하는 것이 진정한 의미라고 생각한다. $ 1mln 로트를 거래하고 있으며, $ 2mln / second에서 그러지는 않습니다. 인터 뱅크 시장에 도달하지 못한 소매 물량의 약 99 %를 수정하면 중요하지 않습니다. 나는 많은 중개인이 기본적으로 은행 간 거래 인 유동성 공급 업체와주고받는 방식 때문에 99 %가 그럴 것이라고 확신하지는 않지만, 소매 업체는 상대적으로 작은 소매 업체 전반적인 환율에 미치는 영향.
우리는 Market Maker (MM)라고 할 때, 소매 중개인이 아닌 은행 간 시장 MM에 대해 이야기하고 있음을 분명히해야합니다. 후자는 주로 가격을 전달합니다. 이는 주요 가격 결정자 인 전자의 것입니다. 그들은 하나의 실행 중지됩니다. 그것은 소매 부문까지 자연스럽게 흘러 드는 은행 간 수준에서 이루어지고 있습니다. 그러나 소매점 볼륨에 대한 위의 성명서에 따라 소매상 인이 은행 간 시장에 도달하지 못했다는 소매 거래자의 의견은 MM & # 821; 모순이다.
예, 물건의 웅대 한 계획에서 소매 상인은 테이블 (최소한 그들의 대다수)에서 바보입니다. 그러나 은행 간 관점에서 그들은 돈이 만들어지는 바보 인 사람이 아닙니다. 그들은 단지 볼륨을 충분히 내지 못하고 있습니다. MM의 관점에서 볼 때 흐름에 대한 정보에 액세스 할 수 있기 때문에 다른 모든 사람들이 바보라고 말할 수는 있지만, 비즈니스에서 엄격하게 행동하는 hedgers와 multi-nationalals를보아야한다고 상상해야합니다. 투기 적 맥락보다는 진짜 황금 거위.
그렇지만 전체 산업이 어떻게 사람들을 쉽게 부유하게 꿈꾸며 움직일 수 있는지에 대해서는 의견이 분분합니다. 그리고 그가 생계를 위해 풀 타임으로 거래하지 않으며 그 일에 대한 관심이 전혀 없다는 기록을 발표 한 사람으로서, 나는 자연스럽게 그걸 어리석은 것으로 생각합니다. 🙂
그것은 어떤 반응입니까? 당신의 이야기를 뒷받침하려는 반갑지 않은 스핀 시도는 외환 거래자를 희생시키면서 외환 시장이 멈추도록 고안된 합의에 비월 해 있 었는가?
기사에서 다음 게시물이 게시됩니다.
선물 상자에있는 상인을 위해 아마 그런 종류의 악명이 높습니다.
행동의 그래도 문제가 있습니다. 시장과 시장 제조사가 존재합니다.
거래 흐름을 촉진하고 그것으로부터 돈을 버는 것. 그들은.
going to do whatever makes sense to increase that flow. That.
periodically could include running stops.
In one fail swoop you imply that it is “supposed” meaning unfounded, and then agree, that yes, MMs will indeed run stops.
Face it, this posted comment pinpointed who’s interest the MM is working in, and to say it is in the interest of the MM alone is a flat out lie and YOU know it.
And to Aaron’s Mailbox thank you very much for your very well written response. It’s one of the best things I’ve read on the internet in awhile. It’s a shame it appeared in the comments section of this article.
Ntry – I have no idea what you’re going on about. At no point have I said anything like the forex market exists to trigger the stops of retail traders. Since the FX market long pre-dated retail participation, that’s about the most foolish idea out there. The retail markets does extremely well lining the pockets of the brokers and market makers without even bringing the stop question in at all. All they have to do is scoop up the spreads and maybe sit on the other side of the net retail flow and they’ll do quite well for themselves.
My point about the MMs running stops is that they are doing it at the inter-bank level where the real volume is happening. Retail traders are basically just collateral damage.
It’s a FreeMasons game based on the 7-sins made by the 1%,we can crack this bankers fraud.
Hey John - Wondering what your view of the current trading platforms being 100% simulated – programed to react to your every action - not only preventing people from making profit - but programmed to take their entire account. I discovered that the NFA enabled the industry to use false advertising – as their product was transferred from real trading to simulated gaming platforms that process everything like a game. They did it by changing the entire definition of the term Forex Trading (and FOREX, FX) from “On-Exchange” to “Off-Exchange” which was totally illegal. I’ve been trying to tell everyone and get something done about it but its hard because all the regulators seem to be participating in it. I’ve been totally alone fighting this and would like someone to talk with about this topic - share what I found. I’m not advertising my site - but please visit it so you can see what I’ve found. I have nothing to gain with what I do - other then a mild desire to restore a little respect to my family. We caused the 1907 financial scare.(Augustus, Otto and my grandmothers dad Arthur Heinze) I was a trading prodigy till the platforms started running anti-profit programs. On 8 different PFG 50k test accounts I cleared 2 million in 2 days (proving to a friend it wasn’t just luck) the 8th account I continued for 4 days – crashing their server trying to close 17 million for a total of 27 million in 4 days. Now - I cant profit more than about 5k a week. My skill didnt change - the platforms became rigged. How do we put a stop to it?
firstly a demo account is no way the same as live, Forex trading is 10% skill and 90% emotion! you don’t have emotion on a demo account because its not your money! when your using your own money you worry and make mistakes, if they traded against you or not it does not matter its your fault! greed, fear is why most fail, forget ea’s they don’t work! bottom line study hard and only risk a maximum of 2% a trade, also get someone who does know to learn from! i like Neil fuller i think he’s name is try Google it, he’s site is full of amazing info.
I have been trading FOREX for 5 years now. It took me the first 4 years just to figure out whether I was coming or going. I spent countless hours of my days studying the market movement in relation to the vast array of indicators that are out there. I was able to narrow down my approach with a trading model that finally offered me a much higher win ratio. I continued to fine tune this model and got rid of the indicators that simply served no purpose. While I have lost my shirt many years in this market, I am responsible enough to know that it was due to my own mistakes. I made the same mistakes repeatedly and watched my demise as if it were deja vue. When I first started trading I didn’t have a lot of capital to work with. My trades pretty much had to be perfect or bust. My common errors were over-leveraging my trades resulting in margin calls. Instead of waiting for my technicals to fully mature, I would jump the gun and experience unnecessary draw downs. If these draw downs didn’t engage my stop loss, I ended up waiting weeks sometime just for my trade to reach break even. I have never felt that my broker (FXCM) is scamming me or gunning my stops. Most people do not educate themselves in this industry in a manner that gives them a fighting chance. While you can take all of the courses on forex you want, most of the formal training in my opinion simply does not apply to each individual. With lagging indicators and so many trainers out there telling you their way is the way to success, I think this is what causes so much of the confusion and perception that a scam is afoot. I had to combine the formal training with a mix of common sense, a sprinkle of unorthodox and a dash of invention to make a reliable model that works for me. If you find yourself experiencing a majority of failing trades, you just need to realize that your approach is not working and you must change it immediately. If you continue to fail after that, you will have to accept that THIS IS JUST NOT FOR EVERYONE!!
just look at all these EA mq4 indicators and scripts, they are all other the web ! The Forex mafia is paying these developpers and bloggers to give guilible new comers to believe that they can outbeat the Chaos ! The only way to make money on Forex retail trading is to join the Dark side of the force !
Ive been trading forex for about five months now, and watched hours of Steve Niso seminars and others videos feeling confident that I had the knowledge to know how to go about trading. After losing my money this last time, it all became clear. I put all the math together. Wont be able to lay it all out here,.but in short, forex trade is nothing but a sophisticated casino. You can learn all the techniques and strategies you want but it doesnt matter. Every scenario has a fifty percent opposite scenario. Its just bulls vs bears. Its a very brilliant scam because there are so many ways you THINK you can win. Take trends. Seems simple enough. Wait for the topa andwave in a down trend and go short. Or vise versa. But you dont know that wave is come down til afyer it does. Even if a trend has ten waves you dont know that til it happens and there are as many scenarios 1 wave 2 waves that you stilll are 50 50 when u take a position. Ypu can break support or resistance and it could snap back. and go the other way…or snap back and come down or any number of scenarios. You will always see tonnes of scenarios where technical analysis holds true but only in hindsight and where it doesnt work is overlooked. You never know your mistakes til you make them and u cant learn from them because the next scenario will go the other way. Even with fundamental analysis…..cant explain it all now but the net reult is 50 50….and since you pay the spreads its like a house edge that makes it no different than a casino….all the math came to me at once….then i looked up forex fraud on wikipedia and it backed up everything i finally came to understand. Its sneaky and more sophisticated than a casino but just as losing of a bet if not more.
And as for reversal signals like hammers, shooting stars, bearish and bulish engulfings….thet cause you to enter against the trend….so do u go with the 1-2-3-4-10 and so on wave trends as many try to coax u with or go for reversals? As i say, 50 50.
Theres more to explain. As i say, its too complex to lay it all out here….but in short…..forex looks winnable but isnt….thats the danger of it.
You can certainly look at charts and see lots of occasions where a long rally will follow a hammer but add up all the scenarios where it didnt to the scenarios where it rallied some but didnt reach a desired target and flip flopped while before coming down. Add it all up. Its a lot like sitting at a black jack table watching your chips go up down up down up more down more bet more lose more bet less win less up more down more til its all gone.
You have to win just to make the spread and no one one wants to stop at break even. Easier to go down that up. Its pure casino.
Forex its the biggest scam of the century ;
how its done ? easy; imagine 1000 shop trader who share one elaborate software and one central super powered computer , they are all linked to each other. They can very fast asses any market info.
Now me or you issue a dealing ticket , what they do straight away estabilish if you are a beginner a new member of their family ! if yes they let you win a bit a few times, but not much, then when they know you are hocked they change the switch and take you to the cleaner .
They are regulated by crooks .
The worst on the market to use the city index , keep away, on 100 trade tickets on long position 97% went down in price. it obvious they run against people like me and you.
I had an open position for almost 3 month, I then closed, as soon I closed, the price went up, I then bought.
One reply is enough. You’ve made your point. I’ve deleted the other comments as redundant.
The issue I had learning was that when I put stops in the price would never be met and it would wipe out my demo account and just carry on going. I understand that if no one is buying at the price it’ll pick the nearest etc. So I’m assuming that if the stop never got hit then no one was even close? So on a demo account I was making profit and then the entire 50k went on a single tiny trade overnight just for the sake of one stop. Why would you risk real money on a mechanism like that?
Sounds to me like you were using limit orders rather than stops. A stop must be filled once that level is reached or breached. A limit order only gets filled at the exact price.
I dont think so. Just because you cant earn money doesnt mean it is a scam and nobody can 😀
I agree now, after finally making some interesting profits with XM. I have a long history of losses but although i STILL believe the broker ALWAYS hedges their positions directly AGAINST their cash cow clients, this does NOT mean you CAN NOT make profits in forex. Even with Pus500 which i consider a totally scammy broker, who clearly trade (as it is STATED in their Client Agreement) DIRECTLY AND ALWAYS AGAINST THE CLIENT (through immediate and 100% hedging and controlling the price of both the BUY and SELL on ALL positions and tickers traded on their platform), i made some astounding profits ($5000 in one month, for example). Now with another broker who allows hedging, i have been able to double and even quintuple small accounts within a month and do even more. So, after THOUSANDS of hours of trading BADLY, i am beginning to become hopeful that there is a STRONG POSSIBILITY that one can generate ACTIVE forex trading income (i still spend about 14 hours a day trading but sometimes only 4 or 5 …with a LOT of breaks!) even with deceitful and even fraudulent brokers. It all comes down to extreme rigidity in money management, knowing how to read indicators and use price movements to your advantage; and copious helpings of God’s grace.
Forex is actually not swindling. As Forex trading rises in popularity, Forex trading frauds are becoming more common. Beginning Forex traders are often considered an easy target for these Forex scammers because the Forex market is not regulated.
Forex = four “X” = 4X = X X X X.
Trader sounds very much like “TRAITOR”
i was just ripped off by xm mi ea is so plain simple it was obvius sombody had there hands the account.
Hi phillippe, i have traded with XM for about 2.5 years. I find it almost impossible to retain profit through their MT4 platform. I sympathise with what you are saying; but i think it comes down to this: first, XM is run by ‘ex’ bankers. You think they want you to keep any money you put in an XM account? Second, all Metatrader accounts are controlled through servers in Russia. Where do you think metaquotes and MQL4,5 come from? So often, i have felt certain that the ‘investor password’ function was set on metatrader for ONE reason only: to allow ‘account managers’ at Metatrader brokers to monitor your actual screen and to manipulate your account and its positions. Why else have such a function? So often, i have made a trade with the trend; but as soon as i place the order, the trend reverses. I have been trading fx for about seven years; and it has been a massive loss for me, mainly due to the collapse in the Euro and my failure to properly manage the account balance once i bought and the Euro collapsed. At the time, i did not know much about hedging. The problem is, even if you hedge, the broker just continually reverses your positions until, eventually, you are either marginned or stopped out. I am almost convinced now that XM, and ALL Metatrader brokers, also Plus500 and FXCM (whom i had accounts with) are actually trading, or rather, hedging against their client accounts. It only makes sense, since they are acting as Principal. As human beings, we need to learn to look out for one another, and stop trading forex altogether. There is no hope for us to live a worthwhile and meaningful life otherwise. Retail traders are the food of the vermin bankster scum. Don’t believe the lies your XM broker tells you; and the same applies to IQOption. Binary trading is just another forex fraud.
Forex is indeed a scam! 조심하십시오.
And you say this because …. ?
I have made losses of circa 135000 USD, starting from Dec 2012 until recently Aug 2015.
I have only withdraw a meager profit of 2000 USD and that was made on some Friday on EURUSD. I had a capital of 250 USD only.
I accept my mistakes, over-leveraging my trades, having over-confidence in myself, long waiting for trades to break-even. Also, most importantly, out of 100 trades, 90 trades were without stop losses.
I do believe that I was wrong on many fronts. But at the same time, I firmly believe that there is a dark force on the other side, who will not let me make much profit and will manipulate the rates for their own profit.
Thank you for the reply. Are you talking real money here? those are large losses, especially if you are not wealthy. I myself lost about the same amount in shares and forex combined; most of it in the dot bomb crash in 2001 but also about 1/2 in forex between 2004 and today. The good news is, in spite of believing that the bankers and the wicked trade directly against retail clients (which they certainly DO), i have been seeing some success in trading.
In the past 2 months i was able to accomplish the following:
1) Finally understanding a LOT more about viable indicators and trading patterns (i have tried several methods now since the beginning of the year), and learning how to apply them;
2) Finally apply disciplined money management;
3) Finally avoid overleveraging;
4) Finally avoid repeatedly emotionally trading and blowing up the account;
5) Avoiding margin calls through adding funds where absolutely necessary and buying time to reverse trades where i had entered incorrectly;
6) Avoiding constantly buying into a selling trend and vice versa (this should be #1!)
7) Listening to my wife (a Finance Manager) and withdrawing profits immediately, before going back in.
Through the above processes, after deciding to call it quits with Forex after seven years, i managed to start making some interesting profits:
1. Turned 100 Euros into 890 Euros within 6 weeks.
2. Turned 164 Euros into about 570 Euros within a month.
Unfortunately, i did not maintain the discipline long enough, and again went against the trends, selling the USD and buying the Euro when the trends were the reverse (it is very difficult to read the trends properly and takes a great deal of practice). So, i did not retain all of the profits:
1) lost most of the 890 Euros and had 64 Euros left.
2) Placed that 64 Euros back in and added 100 Euros.
3) Pushed the account back up to 570 Euros and then.
4) Began to lose the account. Cleared the account at approximately.
1070 Euros and retained 890 Euros of that (170 Euros credit). After deducting the 500 Euros i topped up when it was obvious prices would continue to go against me and margin me out, the net profit on the account was 395 Euros. This is not great for 4 weeks’ work but it is still a good result!
I am currently using a very small account (200 Euros) and learning again how to read the indicators and maintaining discipline.
I use the following free indicators:
2. FCAL (Financial News);
3. Bollinger Bands;
6. Sonic (6 indicators altogether and some templates);
7. Demo frontrunning when absolutely necessary.
I did not achieve success by myself; it is first, God’s grace and second, the advice and feedback of several people i happened to read articles from, over the last six months: their advice has been absolutely critical to the reversal in my fortunes.
I am not wealthy and have worked all my life; my money lost to liars and thieves in the equities markets and to unscrupulous companies like Pus500 is very large and represents decades of work and literally thousands of hours of my life. However, if i can recover these monies or even begin to make a sustainable, modest passive income based on fairly basic strategies, then i will be pleased with the outcome!
I am considering training people in forex and have set up a website here in Singapore to do so. But i need to become much better at this than i am and don’t know if i will be able to actually do this (for most of my life i have been a Technical Writer but i am now fairly obsolete).
If you find the above details helpful, i do hope you will not give up hope and i encourage you to use VERY small accounts and seek to double and triple them before withdrawing profits and going back in. With good strategies and disciplined money management, it is possible to take money from forex brokers (not binary options though; that is a fool’s errand!).
Forex and spread betting is a SCAM !! …Ive only just realised after losing my life on it, it is almost impossible to win I have been doing it for 10years everytime i lost I thought it was my fault but I realised it does not matter if you go long or short the will go the other way and wipe you out !! ….I use to think it can not be a scam because this sort of behaviour should not be allowed its CHEATING . Where are all the regulators . like the FSA and so and so ….these brokers and MM are robbing people in broad daylight !! and legally aswell this is really bad it has destroyed my life .
im really sorry to hear this. MORE PEOPLE NEED TO BE LIKE YOU THOUGH AND COME OUT! I have lost a huge amount also and don’t even want to go on. Such a scam this Forex is. Can you tell more about your experience?
Please see my comment above. I have found methods now by the grace of God that allow me to make a very good profit. Forex is not a scam; but it requires the use of specific tools, skills, methodologies and patience. Since i tend to be stubborn, it took me seven years of trading (often, up to fourteen hours a day) to find that you can, indeed, make money trading with MT4. Even with Plus500!
For me, Forex trading is not a scam if you know what you do and where to go. For me personally I used to trade with FXCM but then a friend of mine told me that he came across a platform named VertexFX trader which have many features that I as a trader will benefit from.
I used a demo account and I loved it and so I had to switch broker for the fact that they don’t provide VertexFX but they told me that they will provide it soon because it saved me hundreds of dollars for features I had to pay for in MT4.
There will be no chance for a fraud because the software I’m using is very transparent so there will be no way my broker can play with anything.
Nice advertorial for the banksters ie VertexFX. Post your spam elsewhere.
So I traded with a few different FX brokers back in the early 2000, FXCM, and others. After watching their charts and seeing the bullshit and my best day was making 5K in the AM, I realized trading the CME was a much more even playing field, at that time they didn’t have such active FX futures liquidity but it got better fast. At least nobody is screwing you on the charts and placing trades. Yes you pay a commision for a trade but that is nothing compared to the pips the FX banks make on the spreads. The downside is the leverage is much less but that might not be so bad. I used Open E Cry to trade the CME FX futures and other futures. They are at least honest. I never understood all the talk about the liquidity of the FX markets compared to the CME. I never had a problem getting fills at the CME except during really slow times like when the US market was over and the Asian market hadn’t started.
The FX brokers are always trading against you. As far as the ECNs I am not familiar with them, I heard of them and they sound reasonable but I am skeptical that they are as pure as is said. If so great, why would anybody trade with the other guys?? Is Oanda a ECN?
John, A system and discipline is crucial as any trader knows, it is difficult with real money but doable. The only reason I can see why one would choose to trade on a FX account is because of ignorance of the CME markets, because of the high leverage from the FX guys or because that’s what someone taught them. Cheers from an ex trader.
After reading all allegations two questions come to mind:
1) Nobody will open a business to gift you money. So, why so many forex brokers pops all day?. Why the retail forextrading was created? To “help people”? 그렇게 생각하지 않습니다.
2) I we believe there are just 5% or less people profiting from forex, they have probably more capital, resouces and mos importantly INFORMATION that the rest of retail traders don’t have.
this looks like an idiot convention, if your IQ is above room temperature, disregard this idiots and their idiotic comments..seriously, I can’t believe such a thread exists..if you can’t make money on forex, that’s ok, most people can’t..on the other hand, I can’t lose money, of the last 150 trades I had only one loser which I closed at a loss of 20 pips, and made approx 30 000 pips on my other trades..yeah, this month..let me say it again, these guys posting here are idiots. Just check what they are saying..hahahaha..LOL.
I’d believe the idiots before I’d believe the liar!
Forex trading online can be a scam for some broker or for the non ECN brokers but for some it is not, this is because some broker broker and market makers are in a hurry to make money.
Hi John, appreciate for your blog and do hope we can be friend. Hereby my points:
1. Not till you meet the Genuine and Integrity broker. You will not say this.
2. I been with this industry since 2010 and making good wealth for myself. Yes i was cheated in the very beginning but ever since the incident, things changed.
3. I no longer working and enjoy my daily life with family and travel since 2015 after consistent result. I am age 32.
4. To understand, i opened 2 off shores company/broker in 2013 and 2014 and interviews >20 fund managers and test them out, Well, pain experiences but i learned a lot. Way a lot.
I suggest, if you want to get wealth from here, start up a small company, you will understand more about Liquidity provider. Talk to them.
Good luck there.
I’m in Singapore and have traded since 2004. Sometimes i did well, even with bucketshops like Pus500 (their ‘platform’ is a child’s toy) and made as much as $5000 net profit a month. But, the devil is in the details. In 2013 i got tired of trading currencies with Pus500 as their platform seemed to be making it very hard for me to profit (I was flattish after a long series of wins). So, i invested $1000 into a gold miner (EVN on the ASX) valued on paper at $200M and later at $600M. I thought it was a fairly good choice, considering the valuation and the fact the company was traded on a major exchange. BUT the devil in this detail was that Pus500 listed this company on their platform as a ‘hot favourite.’ Immediately after my purchase, the share value ($1.40 or so, with a drop of about 40% in the two months prior) began to crumble. After 2 or 3 months, it was about .55. I was liquidated at a $17,000 loss. After which, within sixty days the same EVN. AX went to $.90 and then to $1.10 and eventually (within maybe 6 months) above my entry. I was badly burned by these cucks and i no longer trade with them. Pus500’s ownership under the false Jew ‘Dror Sedor’ (likely an alias) doesn’t make for positive inspiration, either. I have struggled to make a profit with all the brokers i have tried (FXCM before Pus500; Oanda; IQOption (they are not brokers actually; their software is a simulation platform more akin to a videogame) and (in the 2000s) three major Canadian banks (share trading only; FX for retail did not exist). Recently, after about two years with XM and.
$32,000 in losses, i have started to make some profit in FX, realising that my methodology was very poor or nonexistent and that i just did not know what i was doing — especially when it comes to Money Management. Would you be willing to help me with some knowledge about how the MM’s work? I am fairly convinced that the Metatrader platform, if not ALL retail speculation platforms, is designed as a ‘one size fits all’ automated downsizing and account flattening engine, which may also be almost entirely simulated by algos at the bucketshop/MM side. In other words, it is almost impossible to recover profit from such systems (call it ‘overunity energy if you like’) because they have been designed — from the start — to flatten your puny retail FX account as quickly as possible — REGARDLESS OF POSITION SIZE OR ENTRY/EXIT — and, it seems, there is really no possibility of ever making consistent returns from retail FX. I have traded about $300M and soon i plan to quit, though i set up an INC in Singapore to help others trade retail FX ‘with intelligence.’ It just seems that the chances are, really and truly, almost nil. Can you help me at all, to get back to my dream of actually earning a living from fx? It has cost me about $40,000 so far (mainly from Pus500 and XM) which i really would like to recover.
Don’t get involved i have been ripped off by $500000 in several forex platforms and binary platforms the worst being Forex as they get your money in there and you just cannot get it out trading happens behind your back trades get closed off with a loss so far have only found one broker that makes money and jet to be able to get money out.
Keep you money in the bank at least you can get to use it someday.
Sighs, I was gonna trade…… was!
It’s a good thing you have not started. It’s extremely hard bro. I don’t know if the market is manipulated or not; but I know that “consistently profitable” in the long run is extremely difficult to achieve. Even if you trade with a good money management; you’ll end up “dying” slowly. I have been involved in forex for almost 9 years my friend. When I traded the stock market 15 years ago, I never “lose consistently” as much as I had in forex.
그레이트 포스트! Forex is not a scam took me quite a long time and money to learn but is achievable with time.
So the way i look at it, if two traders open different orders on the eurusd, which way is the market maker going to go. Bear in mind that u cant be ryt both ways. Do your due dilligence and stop whining when u lose cos everyone cant place the same orders and lose at the same instance . 그냥 내 두 센트.
Your information is to complicated for the average person who knows nothing about trading and binary yrading. You should relay the information that a lay person can understand as we don’t know what your talking about, also it can’t be that all forex traders are legit, come on there are so many scams out there and your generalizing that all forex trading are not scams. I can tell your very educated in your field but I’ve never traded for real only on the testing sites or demo accounts which are few and far between so do us a favor and rewrite your review so we can all understand what your specifically talking about when you use abbreviations…
Thank you your writing is very professional and I gut wish I could understand it all…
Eva Marie – 의견을 보내 주셔서 감사합니다. I’ve added links to the abbreviations so those who don’t know what they are can find definitions.
Forex is not a scam. It is a real business that requires season of training. It is a fact that success in any venture is not an overnight game but an overtime adventure. Therefore, anyone entering the forex world must appreciate this fact. You will need to learn how to trade and how to trade to earn a living. So, it is a life-long business for serious minded ones.
I have been trading since 2007 and I became a professional and really profitable in 2014.
Which bucketshop broker are you working for? FXCM? PUS500? XM? Oanda? The NFA passed a ruling some few years ago making ALL retail forex accounts under $100,000 USD OTC accounts or, in other words, synthetic trading account (video games). Whilst it may seem incredible that your beloved Russian Mafia-designed Metatrader account could poasibly be virtual ONLY (read: VIDEO GAME) controlled by AI software linked by tunnelling software encrypted algos directly (AND ONLY) to your bucketshop’s server AND that NONE of your “trades” EVER makes it to any bank or bank trading platform AND instead, your “trades” are simply matched to the opposing side in order to flatten the entire trading bucket (and give the corporation acting as principal ie the owner of all profits) and to offset any excess liquidity through offshoring the excess to the bank at the most profitable deal — then you need to seriously look into what you think you know about retail forex. We have all been had — for decades — and “they” are not about to tell you that retail forex trading is fraudulent on its face and 99.6% a scam from the outset (especially if you trade penny stocks on it or trade with leverage above 50%).
Not going to push back much on the MT4 stuff as I know there have been official complaints filed (and ruled on) with respect to unbalanced slippage and the like. I actually have some data and want to have a look at whether MT4 accounts perform differently than non-MT4 ones.
A couple of points, though.
First, retail forex only dates back to about 2000. Hardly decades.
Second, the inter-bank forex market is entirely OTC. So too is the market for government bonds. OTC does not mean synthetic. It just means off-exchange. That doesn’t prelude bucket shop operations, but it does not automatically assume them either.
Your points address nothing of the core points i made; it is 2017 and you are saying ‘retail forex started in the 2000s and that is…hardly decades.’ Well, seventeen years is close enough to two decades, for most people. Second, you don’t say anything of value regarding the actual fact that all Metatrader accounts are de facto synthetic and such accounts are instantly matched by the market maker without any risk exposure (meaning, no trade whatsoever and no account of any retail trader is allowed to ever impact any real currency market, which is controlled exclusively by the London and New York banking houses). I am not a software developer but i opened IQOption one day and found out it appears to be 100% sytnthetic (a video game. Interesting that the Russian Mafia company that created it used to be a Video Game company). Metatrader was created by the Russian Mafia; also known as the Kosher Nostra — do your due diligence. I am sure a competent software developer with no axe to grind nor any interest in forex can prove my assertion in a few hours of code cracking; but the risk to life and longevity is real (and explains why this has ‘never’ been done). I am not a ‘sore loser’ and have lost a lot on fx but have also done well on several occasions. The issue is NOT (and you are implicitly deceptive and manipulative if you continue to imply it is) that “forex is a difficult career choice but with sufficient practice, we can make a living at it.” In fact, making profits in fx is extremely difficult even under optimal conditions and this is because the banks who provide the liquidity have zero interest in risk exposure, and they limit their exposure to the market maker, who ensures 99.4% of retail traders consistently lose money (ask the NFA these are their official stats). What you do not say, and do not say consistently, is that people who wish to trade forex for a living or to make ‘side income’ have no clue that to do so well literally requires a Phd and $75,000 USD (and don’t forget the 6 years to obtain the degree). While i must agree with you that it is possible to make a living in fx what i detest about your site is that you simply leave people in the dark about the difficulties. But i am soon going to change that (dv).
Paul & # 8211; Quite to the contrary. The report you can see on this site is ALL about how difficult it is to be profitable in forex (and in trading more broadly, really) and the reality of the “90%+ fail” commentary out there. It has real data.
I also created an “about retail forex” paper which speaks to the structural issues you bring up (papers. ssrn/sol3/papers. cfm? abstract_id=2753823).
I appreciate your transparency and will not only read your paper; i will check all the material out on your site.
The greatest impediment to profitability in retail forex for the average novice who participates is the lack of transparency of the process and the brokers themselves. The NFA has estimated (and i know you know this) the average retail forex trader loses both his shirt; underpants; and even more (to the tune of $16,000 USD) before quitting in disgust. I have burned through about four times that — and i readily admit that in the first six or so years (out of perhaps 10) trading retail fx part time (i work full time as a Tech Writer) i knew nothing and it showed — big time.
In July 2014 i traded a $5000 net profit on a Pus500 account (quite an accomplishment, actually, since their platform is similar to the ones that use children’s crayons and an Etch-A-Sketch) but, unfortunately, i sequed into a $17,000 loss on their platform (because i got temporarily bored trading the currencies) when i purchased EVN (Evolution Mining), a company they obviously fronted and were the front-runner for (together with their backers) and which they promoted on their platform. EVN was a pump-and-dump and it swan-dived immediately after my purchase, ‘recovering’ six months later to a high of close to $3 (i bought in at about $1.30 after an already dizzy 60% plummet). Needless to say, i have abandoned Puss500 and wish to litigate if enough people will support.
I mentioned the above, primarily to illustrate that i was able to earn a net profit of $5000 in one month even on a bucketshop like Pus500 (my capital was about $5000 also or less). The same year i switched to XM and saw about a 20,000 Euro loss over the past two years. But, on several occasions, i was able to turn a very nominal sum into something (for example, 100 Euros became 870 Euros within about a month); but i used ‘secret’ or ‘unfair’ tactics to do this.
My experience with retail fx is normal and par for the course; but, sadly, there are hundreds of millions of people (hundreds of thousands weekly, i suspect) who lose as much or more as me each year; nobody is concerned about what this will do to those people, nor to society at large.
John, you are an academic and i guess this will not be pleasant to hear; you teach at a university and you teach about trading (among other things). How do academics gain credibility, since most people will not believe you (unless, perhaps, you were a SUCCESSFUL retail fx trader prior to your academic role)? I face the same problem, since i wish to educate people about the perils of retail fx.
Second, i will read your paper as i said; but i do not for one moment believe it will contain anything uniquely specific to retail fx profitability. Banks’ use of dark pools is deliberate; the fact that there is little to no reliable training or data on how the retail fx ‘industry’ (mafia syndicate) actually operates is similarly deliberate.
The retail fx industry as a whole will never change to the betterment of the average retail fx trader until it becomes transparent; and that is never going to happen while the banks control creation of credit and fiat money; there is too much at stake.
However, some of us may be able to help change this situation, by teaching people how to avoid making stupid mistakes and mismanaging a trading account (retail fx or otherwise).
The price interference you mention is interesting.. quite a few times I start EA’s (my coding) running and as soon as I start them….. I even have a pair of EA’s I run which effectively oppose each other just to test onTick signals… price and indicator signals turn chaotic.
I have even had price run down the centre of a 10 pip channel in a + and – hedge. I have remonstrated this with the broker over the phone and they just use the classic out of jail free card…. it’s the LP’s……
Ahhhhh. I am pretty sure that cTrader (spotware) is a Russian software company as well….. could be Eastern European (check) which could mean a jump from the frying pan into the fire…. It also “updates” automatically every month or so………
Paul & # 8211; You’re making assumptions. If you haven’t, you should read my bio. I have a PhD – which I only pursued after many years of being in the markets – but I am NOT a professor. Maybe one day I will become one, but at this point I am not one, nor have I ever been one.
You’re right. Retail trader profitability issues are not just a forex market thing. I’ve seen research about how much stock market day traders lose. But while I definitely agree that there is manipulation in the markets – and it doesn’t just impact retail traders (see the LIBOR and gold fixing scandals) – I think there are bigger issues than that underlying the vast majority of trader losses. A longer discussion is warranted, but two of the bigger things I see as leading to trader failure is a lack of understanding/education about the basic requirements of successful trading and behavioral biases which lead to less than optimal (read “stupid”) decision-making.
I have been trading shares on the ASX for over 10 years with reasonable success, so indicators, charts and trading strategies were already in place…..so I thought.
Started “demoing” Forex platforms back in Sept 2016.. 3 mths later still struggling to make a profit (micro account). Like Aaron further up the thread even when I entered into technically good trades price would reverse within 1 – 7 pips just about every time so I can believe his 89% loss ratio, you cannot be that wrong when placing a Buy or Sell…. Or I would be stopped out no matter what the distance of the SL (often by 0.00001 of a cent) only for the price to reverse and continue on its trend….WTF.
Even when using smaller positions and larger stops… The losses would always be triple the profits, the stress involved in trying to be consistent has left me shattered… I haven’t been financially damaged by the process but feel for those that have… People that cannot afford to are losing big money to Forex…
I don’t doubt that people are making a profit from it… but single digit percentages far more experienced or intelligent than you or I…..
I could lose a 100 pips per day without even trying…. so if you are thinking it is easy money think again… do not get involved in Forex… do something more constructive with your money and your time.
So, you want to become George Soros in 3 months! It took some of us 2 years to master the art of forex trading and it could take more than that depending on your commitment and passion.
What bucketshop is paying you in Kenya to make such a ridiculous comment? If you are honest, you will post some actual proof on the internet to support your assertion (live accounts only please).
I have to agree: share trading was far more successful for me though i burned through about $65,000. What did i learn: stick with your best picks and hold for a minimum of five years. Had i done this, i would have probably $120,000 net profit. So i turned to fx. Twelve years later and still struggling to make a stable profit. Here’s the breakdown: FXCM in the uk, about £7500 loss due to numerous “unexplained spikes” 2004-2007. Moved to Pus500 and, at one time, was bringing in $5000 a month on a $12,000 account. Got better at managing their TinkerToy platform and was doing well, only to segue into a single trade of 17,000 shares of gold miner EVN (currently traded on AXS and supposedly worth more than $1 billion. When i started with it, on paper it was worth $200M and i paid about $1.20 for it. It was “recommended” by Pus500) which cratered right after i bought it (it was already down 40% and i thought it was cheap) and over 2 months it “fell” to less than 50 cents. At $17,000 loss this has been my largest single account loss and i now detest these lying shysters at Pus500, who obviously pumped and dumped me. The shares rapidly rose once Pus500 margined me out, eventually going above my entry just 3 months later. Gave up on Pus500 and moved to Oanda in 2013. Oanda by law has to offer 50% leverage or less so i have had much better success with them; but almost impossible to retain consistent profit since, like all retail bucketshops, Oanda hedges against all accounts, siphons off all profits first; then sells any excess overhead to their liquidity provider (read: all retail forex accounts at all retail fx “brokers” today are not true trading accounts. According to the NFA ruling a few years ago, all retail FX is now virtual and synthetic trading. Your “trades” never go to any bank instead you trade ONLY against other retail shmucks or Oanda) so…forget about making much profit. Still with Oanda but have seen some loss due to the manipulation of gold vs usd and eurusd in the DOUBLE DIGITS percentage wise…unprecedented manipulation)…not holding out any hope for this bastard broker either. I also tried “binary options” which are entirely a video game (literally, actually) with IQOption, spending about (at €1 per trade) €100 to make 1100 trades. Could make profit but almost impossible to retain it. Finally, moved to XM…worst choice i ever made. Currently nursing a €20,000 loss on this account, as XM are professional thieves. While i would not say fx is a total scam, as i have been able to make significant profits even with XM (in June this year for example, i made €540 profit on a €300 account) my conviction is that no indicators will help when your account is traded against by the shyster who has sold all your accounts to their liquidity provider and trades as YOU against your own fucking account!! (READ the T&C! All “brokers” act AS PRINCIPAL meaning they automatically trade AGAINST you), since their PRINCIPAL GOAL is to flatten all risk and hence, NEVER allow (especially by the use of their automated algos) ANY “risk” (your profits) to leak away into your account.
Hi Paul, that’s some serious money changing hands. I had a similar “spike” issue with IG Markets, I started running 3-4 broker platforms against each other just to compare charts… some aren’t even close.
I have been making a profit ( pay attention Oyewole ) with a $1000 live account and the cTrader platform. Scalping the market, $2.00 per PIP either using the CCI indicator -200 / +200 reversal or by trading an EMA 10 – 15 & # 8211; 50 strategy on trends. Its the hard way to do it but it makes between $300 – $350 a week. I intend to increase the positions as I get more consistency. I trade the principal the less time you are exposed to the market the less time it has to turn against you.
But like you I am very sceptical of the FX Market. Notice that most successful traders rattle on about indicator free price action. IMO the reason is that the big players steer the indicators to dupe the newbie and retail traders to generate liquidity by smashing stops and trading against the charts. So many of the Banks of late are getting busted for sharing charts, customer information and as you say trading against their own clients.
My partner has worked for a major Bank for over 30 years and the public has no idea of the reach of the financial institutions… paid blogs, forum contributors, social media programs…..
Very refreshing to read your comment: i wish i had seen it earlier. I have improved somewhat but, contrary to your point, i do use indicators. What is very disappointing, however, is that one very trustworthy indicator i was using for about a year (as with so many others — i have tried perhaps 100) which was giving good signals for trading has now officially become useless on the longer timeframes (Daily; H1; H4 etc) when, for more than a year, it was good for them. I notice that Metatrader updated the platform in the background (wonder why they do NOT provide the option to prevent this?) a few days ago. It is clear to me, at least, that XM and Oanda and any Metatrader broker not only trade against their clients; they rely on the software vendor to provide a custom solution that efficiently liquidates clients in a manner that makes them supremely profitable (hence the need to break every single indicator a client uses).
Why do i say this? Well, there are many instances where i see that while adjusting an indicator, the price action becomes ‘unstable.’ It is my contention that MT4 is a true virtual platform and when you connect your MT4 terminal to the MM’s terminal, the broker (and any lackies they have hired at $2 an hour in India or Nepal or China) can not only see your positions; they can trade directly and instantly against them; and they can offset risk from viable indicators by warping the price feed (intermittently screwing with the data feed for example, so an indicator cannot get a true price price history or pattern match), interrupting the dll which an indicator specifically uses to achieve successful signals (this explains why, in any update, MT4 actually collects the hardware and software information which is visible in the Journal…it could be innocuous but, is it?) and by using exploits or plugins to simply weaken your positions over time. Anyway, i greatly value your post and will consider dumping Metatrader and using cTrader.
I just wish i could short the companies using it; and Metatrader itself, until they all collapse — something i have had some success in previously (that’s another story). And i thought IG Markets were ‘squeaky clean’ (but their platform looks buggy).
Point taken. I had a brief look at cTrader. There are some unsettling posts about manipulated price feeds in several posts i have read on Forex Factory and in other places. I have no interest in jumping from the frying pan into Hell.
Please can you clarify the following statement:
entheos Sep 4, 2015 5:53pm | Post# 728.
FXPro=Russian mafia money laundering operation with a hatred for Americans. Its ok, though. The feeling is mutual.
I did trade with fxpro over 7 years.(now i`m not.)
they was established with russian money.
the start of their business was market maker.
their first target was south korea.
for the first time in brokers,
they did support korean language to attract korean.
many people lost a lot of money by their con.
many people`s live were ruined ultimately by their con.
Is it true, according to the above post, that cTrader, as MT was financed with Russian money from the outset? Why then, should i believe it is not Khazarian, serving Molech; or controlled by the Synagogue of Satan, like MT4 is?
Really Andrew…… Not sure what you need me to clarify……
I’m not with FXPro as I had heard about them prior to opening an account. I use Pepperstone and IC Markets (Both Aust.) and you can use either cTrader or MT4 – 5.
I definitely notice price instability once you open a position or start an EA. At times the price turns itself inside out trying not to allow a profit.
I am as dubious of the FX market as you are and have been watching and posting on various FX forums and I’m pretty sure some are industry “operated” through and through….
Paul, If you are comfortable with it I am happy for John to pass on my details to you……
John, it seems to me that a large part of the problem is due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the spot forex market. Speculation is taking place in the same arena that corporate, small business, vacationers, and banks are conducting regular not for profit activity like exchanging currencies for practical purposes. Retail trading for profit makes up about 18% of the total volume amount of transactions per day. Of the remaining 82%, approximately 60% are brokers transacting and exchanging currency rates. We retail traders are small peanuts in the overall picture of all the commerce taking place. I would also contend that most technical analysis suited for stocks, commodities, and futures do not hold up well in the spot currency markets because they are auction based, and not complete markets like gold, or crude, or Apple, IBM, etc.. Traditional TA was designed for the above markets, not for spot forex. When one takes a look at EURUSD, all you are seeing is the exchange rate between those 2 currency pairs. You are not seeing a complete market like gold that shows everything on the chart built into the price action. We as retail forex traders need to continue our education in how and why spot forex really moves . . .
You are obviously fairly ignorant about the main issue with ‘retail FX trading’ and that is: all retail forex ‘brokers’ do not ever send the small ‘trades’ to the bank; they don’t bother to package them — because it costs too much — instead, they tweak the accounts of retail traders using automated robots, algos and the Metatrader platform (or their own platform) itself to ‘flatten’ the transactions. I read this on a forum once a few years ago and i now understand (more fully after 13 years of trading) what it means. Flattening means the hedge that the broker has with their own currencies in a ‘dark pool’ are automatically hedged against every ‘trade’ (which is not really a trade; it uses real money but virtual currency and virtual trades) a retail ‘novice’ enters. The automated hedging offsets — in real time and to the picosecond — all real monies in the BUCKET. What that means is that, no matter what direction you enter; what position you take; or what money management or indicators you care to use, the broker is almost certainly going to win — after all, they literally have infinite leverage. I hope you understand what i am saying. I am NOT saying that it is impossible to recover monies from the average FX broker like XM or Oanda, even using high leverage. In one instance last July, I had 300 Euros in my account and traded it up to 740 Euros; a 470 Euro profit. And yes, I banked the profit. But, when i went back in, and did the SAME thing, i lost the account. AI software is now highly sophisticated and learns in real time; coupled with algos developed by banks and shared with brokers (at a modest fee) that optimise the liquidation of your funds, it is now almost impossible to make consistent returns from trading retail forex. This is assuming, of course, that you are not dealing with ‘binary options’ frauds like IQOption, whose platform itself is actually a CGI graphic (no trades whatsoever — their original platform before was a video game). Go figure.
you can open as many demo accounts as you wish since there are so many companies to open them with.
why would anybody open a live account and lose money without first being successful with the demo account.
if you are not winning with the demo account what makes you think that you will win with a live account.
and if market maker and brokers make you lose in your live account.
they don’t let you win in your demo account to lure you in.
trading has a lot to learn, 1) you have to master the trading platform you are using, 2) you have to be well informed of the currencies you are trading.
3) finding an honest broker is no easy task.
I joined a signal service a few months ago after researching and winning more than I was losing in a demo account. There were about thirty other people in a trading room and the teacher basically talked about what trades looked good and which were iffy.
I have to agree with others, it is basically a casino. I won pretty consistently on my demo, but the minute I moved to real money I lost. One thing I haven’t seen mentioned here, it is pretty well known that a big reason 95% of people lose money on the Forex is because even if they win a higher percentage of trades than they lose, they lose more money on the losing trades than they make on the winners. So even thought they can say they are up ten trades, they may have barely broken even or lost money.
I had a few good days and made a bit, but on other days the market totally went against the indicators and the room would be aghast with, what just happened, wow, etc. Because there really is no ryhme or reason to it…..I traded without the signal service a few times and just followed trends, and my percentage of losses to wins was similar.
One big thing they talked about was how Warren Buffet made a billion in the Forex, and I kept thinking…Buffet is a multibillionaire, can you all not see how he might have some inside info that helped him know the trends? That speaks to the idea of it being rigged, and I think there is definitely an element of that, probably more in the larger trading area.
There were a few people in that room who bragged about making fifty grand a week, but there was no proof of it…it literally felt like there was one guy with multiple screen names just talking to himself and acting like he was all these successful traders, it was odd. And you would have people there talking about how great the system was and they had been doing it for a year, but come to find out that they were either on demo or trading ten cents a trade. And that is the rub…once you start trading with real money on the line, the system you have learned becomes a hundred times more difficult, and you start losing.
And when you think about it…if someone actually did create a signal that is winning 80% of the time, why charge users a big fee weekly to use it when they are already risking money, when the creator of the signal obviously could be a millionaire trading the signal within a short time?
I do believe there are people who make profits and possibly even a living building from very small and making small profits here and there, saving and just doing that for years, because if you have nerves of steel and only trade with the momentum using small trades, you can make a profit. But as far as making alot of money, even within a couple of years, it seems like it would be a better and easier gamble to learn how to play blackjack really well and go make a few hundred nightly at a casino nightly.
그냥 내 두 센트. The risk far outweighs the reward IMO. Unless you have a good sized bankroll and patience like a monk and nerves of steel, incest somewhere else. Because even those things don’t mean success.
“It seems like it would be a better and easier gamble to learn how to play blackjack really well and go make a few hundred nightly at a casino nightly”.
Same though has crossed my mind…………many times. 🙂
Forex는 사기가 아니지만 forex와 관련된 많은 사기가 있습니다. 사기는 forex 공업에서 모두에 의해 직면 된 큰 문제이다. 외환 거래는 수익성이있는 진정한 사업이지만, 그렇게 처리되어야합니다. People choosing forex because they can easily earn their living costs from this market place.
Ok…. so by the looks of things, Forex looks like a scam based on the amount of people, who are reporting to have been scammed.
I would also like to read now the other side of the story and learn of anyone who is actual making a profit. For the record I have been trading for two year and am still learning so I’m not taking anyone’s side but carrying out research.
It’s hard to say, Bill. I’ve never met a real forex trader. Only heard one of my acquaintance mentioned about a kid that managed to trade from micro to mini, and finally to standard account. If what he was saying is true, then maybe forex is not a scam. But if it’s not, then (sigh…)
Not a Scam. then maybe John can explain how earlier this year FXCM (One of the biggest and still a Babypips Site sponsor…) was busted playing the market and deregulated in the US for actually having a controlling interest in the Liquidity Provider to their retail business…. a massive conflict of interest. While all the while claiming that they where true ECN and not a Dealing Desk….. Scam 101 right there..
If one of the major players is doing this, you can be certain that other Brokers are using this Business Model and are yet to be caught.
Let’s just say I’ve never had a good vibe about FXCM and was not particularly surprised. Back in the day, before the NFA shut down “hedge” accounting in US accounts, I saw FXCM promoting “hedge” 전략. Not illegal, but certainly ethically shady.
Between 2004-2007 (ten to thirteen years ago) i had an FXCM account in the UK and lost at least 7,500 pounds using it, primarily due to my ignorance about trading methodology and (but perhaps just as important) due to numerous order requotes and, worse, ‘spikes’ which either caused a large loss, or a margin call. As far as i am concerned, FXCM is a shyster mafia broker and is not to be trusted whatsoever. Others like XM are not much better but, with significant methodological changes and appropriate money management (and more important, the use of valuable indicators that actually work), i have seen some profits this year and held my account for more than 14 months without blowing it up. & # 8230; I would not say retail forex is 100% scam; but the truth is that the average novice retail forex speculator has NO clue whatsoever what he or she is doing when it comes to trying to trade profitably; and (more importantly) they have utterly no idea the level of opaqueness there is in platforms like Metatrader (nor the fact that it was designed by Russian and/or East European developers) nor do they have an utter clue about the ACTUAL LEVEL OF RISK they are exposing themselves to, when using custom-designed software which operates as principal against them from the outset until it efficiently liquidates the account.
You are trading Fiat Values that simply don not exist at all.
Your opponents are Bank licensed professional scamers, wich have the license from who? The Kosher Nostra, that gives them all rights, but for you a Taxregulating gouvernmental ruler. That`S PRIVACY isn`t it?
You can try to buy some of there stocks, of course. The only ones who rise and kill are allways sold and owned by them anyway.
That will give you your jobs, while you will never be allowed to invest on your own in something usefully.
Is that scam enough?
Forex is Like A Rubick’s Cube .. Some Can Solve IT Some Cannot .. Its Nt Fr Everyone Bt All IT Takes is Time .. Dedication and Passion And the ‘Secret ‘ to’ Crack the Code ‘ ..
I would suggest dt if U Want to Trade Forex Do Not Rush Into Trading Real Money Soon ..Study Well the Demo and Start with Little Amounts As Possible .. Forex is Not A Get Rich Quick Stratergy ..Knowing When to Enter & Exit the Trend is More of A ‘Skill dan Science .. Theoretical Background Helps too .. The Rest is StratergisinG & .. Intuition.
I have written here before (Paul or Elbonias or Armando) and i cannot agree with you. The average retail trader is *never* made aware of the level of risk that they are exposing themselves to, when they deposit money with any ‘forex broker’ this includes XM, Oanda, FXCM (a known scammer) and anyone else. If you think brokers registered in the Cayman’s or Belize or Seychelles or London or Singapore or Toronto are legitimate, especially if they are bank-based, you will lose your account and your life savings to them. The simple reason is: all retail forex trading is either synthetic or nominally so; the millisecond your ‘trade’ is registered, the software algo that is driving the platform, hedges your currency pair (both the deposit currency and whatever pair you choose to ‘trade’) against another unfortunate retail speculator in the broker’s dark capital pool bucket, exactly and to the millionth of a cent. This means, in effect, the broker (the middleman acting as ‘principal’ meaning they trade directly against all and every client that is ignorant enough to open an account with them and deposit *any* funds) hedges you out from the start, and efficiently erases your position from the face of the Earth. While it may take seconds, minutes, weeks or even months, after twenty thousand hours of trading and seeing both great success and abject failure (especially with XM and Oanda, through whom i have lost a cumulative $44,000 or so) you can be certain your account will be margined to nothing or negative. Banksters and those who suck their privates are not in the business of providing you ‘participation’ without great cost; after all, they serve their master, Satan, well. To summarise: because there is no real transparency at all as to the level of risk you are getting into, retail forex on its face, as it is today, is a total scam and will remain so (this includes binary options, which are even WORSE) for the duration. Until we collectively refuse to participate in this scam, you and i will always see our lives and livelihoods go to ruin, chasing an impossible reality. Do *NOT* listen to the liars and deceivers who post here and contradict what i say. IF they are honest, then *MAKE THEM* post the methods they used to consistently recover profits trading Metatrader (the software most retail traders use today; and they make up 20% or more of the $billions traded in retail fx every day) and, make them post their true financial picture and not lies.
Paul, I like your very convincing arguments against forex trading. I have been trying it since 2008 when AUD broke parity with USD and then came crashing down: I got the trading bug with CMC Markets making $4000 into $32000 in 4.5 days with CFDs, then losing the account in a matter of 2 hours (I was way over-leveraged on sell AUDUSD!). Since then I have accumulated running losses exceeding AUD$300,000.
But taking a macro picture of the situation, how can forex trading be a scam when you look at all brokers, all news sites, even money exchanges on the street, and you can for example see a trend of EURUSD’s nosedive over 2014? If you decided to travel during this time you would also experience the devaluation of your EURs against the USD. Or if you made some international purchases you would also see a similar correlation.
Perhaps the small trading is as you say, but certainly the big picture cannot be manipulated against the one individual on a longer term.
I agree that the macro picture is a real picture. But i don’t want to let my agreement cloud my conviction that, on the retail level (and this is where 30% of retail currency trades actually takes place, according to the NFA), we are being stolen from and ruined through an opaque, evil industry that is arrayed against us, shows no mercy, takes no prisoners; and is Satanic in its design and greed for theft.
First off, thank you for being so open with your P & L statement! I cannot imagine how you feel. My circumstances are such that over 13 years (not including shares), i have given XM 23,000 Euros, FXCM about $15,000; Pus500 about $10,000 (with $17,000 lost in a pump and dump share issue they clearly floated) and Oanda about $4000. It is not $300K but it is very significant and, while i was terribly ignorant and foolish in the first few years, I firmly believe that i have significantly improved (no account loss for more than a year; learning how to properly hedge when necessary; money management that prevents the broker stealing your account; and other steps) and that, over time, i can recover all losses. In FXCM’s case, however, i am considering legal action because they have been slammed by the US authorities for direct manipulation of client accounts and outright fraud and theft.
To summarise my response to you (and all retail traders), for years i have battled with the psyop of retail forex trading. I believed that it was not possible for a price chart, especially a Metaquotes / Metatrader one, to ‘manipulate’ the end user. After all, as you say, there is a real currency market and there are real currency trades taking place in the hundreds of millions every day, internationally, 24/7. However, does that mean that price action cannot be manipulated? I was so convinced that it was ‘impossible’ to move the retail fx market; and that i was the one at fault (and forexpeacearmy and other popular fx forums don’t help with this, as they are all paid by the fraudulent brokers to lie through their teeth to retail traders and would-be traders), that it took more than a decade to unwind the illusion; to understand the lie that is retail forex; and to come to terms with the fact that, even if i never get my funds back, i know these cunts will face an agonisingly painful, unending punishment, at the end of their days.
Perhaps i should start with my background, which informed my opinion and allowed me to begin walking away from the misery which i had become enmeshed in (particularly, being unable to stop trading, even when i knew the account was already finished).
My background is software documentation (25+ years). While i am not a programmer, i have seen enough code to understand that almost anything that exists in the ‘real’ world of the five senses can be created artificially by software; in a virtual reality. My experience extends to four continents and several employers, including in China. While i was trading (four market making brokers, including Pus500; FXCM the known and dirty-fingered fraudster; XM (soon to be caught); and Oanda (also, hopefully, soon to follow Alpari), i also was having to research with extensively painful brain-expanding tools (most of which i had never used before) banking, healthcare, exotic and telecoms software applications and databases. I have only recently begun to realise, however, that Metatrader is nothing more than a sophisticated piece of software code and a well-designed database, acting as a client-server that can function most likely as a WAN.
Because of my software background, i have no doubt that staff at the brokerages can, and do, slot all or almost all retail traders into ‘Book B’ and not ‘Book A’ accounts, from the outset. B-Book accounts are accounts which the software algos the brokers use determines are to be ‘losing money’ for the duration of the account. Whether this is true for you, as an individual retail trader; whether it is lawful, legal (there is a distinct difference), fair or otherwise is immaterial. Once you are assigned to a B-book environment, your chance of actually recovering a profit is negligible. Not nil; but negligible.
I have not actually worked (yet?) for any broker and i hesitate to try and do so, because i feel once i did that, nobody would trust me. But, perhaps by working for XM or even as an affiliate, it might only then become crystal just exactly how the software works to most efficiently liquidate clients. My theory as to how the software works is not that complicated or elegant (to be documented in more detail in my book, True Forex Lies soon to be released on flat-earth-forex); but it does not need to be. In simple terms, Metatrader is a client-server software and when we sign up, we create a terminal version of the software platform on our computer. Like all distributed computing environments, Metatrader on the server side is rigidly protected against penetration to the server and its core price feed. Of course, the prices themselves for currency pairs do not at all have to come from a bank liquidity provider; they can easily come from a third party, such as Leverate, who provide UFX’s quotes) or Thompson Reuters, the largest provider of quotes).
To scam retail traders (anyone ignorant enough to deposit money into an offshore bank account controlled by a foreign corporation), one would only need to control the actions of their terminal; which would act as what was known in the 70s and 80s as a ‘dumb terminal.’ In other words, the market maker, having slotted you or myself into a B-Book account and its platform variables, functions, algorithms and account pilferage routines, only need to ensure that no actual transactions are made on your terminal, which allow credits to you (and debits to them) to leak out. Instead, they only need to take your B-book transactions, package or aggregate them together with all other B-book account transactions of all other speculators whom they have (convinced or duped, directly or indirectly) to hedge all players against one another.
For example, i am long EURUSD and 56% of retail speculators, who have been unfortunate enough to freely give their earnings to this particular shyster broker, are also. What the broker does (let’s call the broker Chuthl another name for the demon god who eats babies) is instantly match, on order placement, all of my EURUSD tickets with someone else who is short EURUSD, by exactly the same amount and at the identical price. With today’s software (and even going back ten years and more), this is easily possible, even with 10,000 players. Nothing ‘needs’ to be done in ‘real time’ except the ‘notification of order placement’ and the screen printing of that fact; the rest of the action can take place behind the scenes, even a few minutes later (this explains why there is a lot of ‘static’ and your data pipe becomes ‘choked’ during fake news announcements).
So, once your order, my order, and 9998 other BUY EURUSD orders are hedged against 9998 other SELL EURUSD orders, can you see how, without any cost to themselves except for the server, the monthly account servicing fee the broker pays to its quote provider, hardware and system (Metaquotes) suppliers, the actual daily cost to the broker could be in the tens of cents (or less) per client account? At the end of each day, all the broker needs to do is ‘mop up’ excess leverage and keep it under a certain percentage; accounts that present any real risk to this level (say, the excess is 2% of $50,000,000 or $1 million, after hedging everyone to flatten their account.
I did not learn about the ‘flattening’ of accounts because of any great wisdom: i found a comment, some years ago, by an ‘ex banker’ on forex factory. If the ‘excess liquidity’ required to flatten all client accounts amounts to (on average) $1 million a day, this does not actually present any real problem for a shyster market maker, because:
1. Commission alone on 10,000 retail client accounts can easily add up to a significant fraction of this;
2. Spread can be widened by 0.5 or 1 or more pips, on *certain* currency pairs, only throughout the day (especially in advance of ‘fake news’ or, at ‘odd’ hours such as 4 am) in order to generate a good chunk of the required amount;
3. Spikes (artificial prices that are ‘miles away’ from the ‘true market price feed’ (only testable by a few individuals who register as ‘professional traders’ and/or have access to actual bank feeds and/or CME accounts, which show mostly ‘real’ currency and commodity prices) can be inserted on *certain* currency pairs only, in order to liquidate a certain percentage of retail B-book clients. This can, with certain brokers, add up to many millions of dollars in a single month. With FXCM for example (a broker who spiked me numerous times), their ‘arms-length’ liquidity provider had a contract with them to steal $90,000,000 monthly;
4. Server ‘outages’ which are always explained by the shyster market maker as being ‘your computer or connection’ even though you a) live in Japan, where everyone has 100 Mbit connections; b) own a Penta Core Elgydium server running Unix, which has twenty cores, the military encryption and RAID; and multi-tunneling, multi-threading CPUs, that costs you $2000 monthly for service and maintenance);
5. Fake price quotes, slippage, stale prices, fake ticks, fake candles, order delays causing large multi-second slippages and numerous cheats and other cripplewares, used to exploit your client connection (generated through the well-known ‘Metaquotes Plugin’ and other plugins available to shyster brokers and documented online),
6. Outright pilferage and theft from your account, through ‘after the fact’ account revisions (price changes which reduce or eliminate your profit because you were in profit at all), and even timeclock adjustments (i have seen this on my own machine in the last few months only; where my computer clock actually slows down or speeds up relative to the server clock. With today’s computers that do not depend on battery backup for the CPU RTC, this types of activity is obviously initiated on the server side (since no other applications report clock variance with their servers).
There is a lot more to be said and i will be saying it (and a lot more) in my new book.
I really hope you will buy the book (working to finish it and release it online later in the year), as i think it has significant data in it which a) will permanently compromise many if not most Metatrader and other brokers, who have defrauded and financially raped and pillaged from us for so long; and b) greatly assist the retail trader in recovering lost accounts, recovering lost monies, and (or) at least, significantly improving his or her win rate, reducing drawdowns, eliminating shyster broker ‘surprises;’ and preserving capital and even improving the balance. But, if not, you can probably gain a lot from the info i will be releasing online, in the next few months!
Hope the above helps!
*that should be $90,000,000 (90 million) annually. I hope that FXCM is forced to pay back five times what they stole; and every staff member (especially the senior ones and founders) publically whipped and showered with honey, followed by five gallons of fire ants – & # 8211; 마다.
I have enjoyed the great contributions on this thread ! 그러나 & # 8211; I think there is possibility a chance (no matter how minute) that a trader with an edge (a system that has positive expectation over the long term) WILL BE profitable? For instance, take a look at GBPJPY for this week. Hindsight papaer trading shows that a good system would have made at least 200 Pips due to the wild swings of that pair this week. If our trading systems are unable to tell us (in advance of course, not in hindsight) the points of trend reversal – how is the Broker responsible for that? I have traded since 2008 and have lost over 40,000 USD on FX (not counting opportunity cost of other ways in which I could have spent the countless hours invested into fX trading), so I have a stake in the conspiracy theory view. At the same time something tells me that there are a few guys around the globe, making very good returns (eg over 50% gain monthly) on their accounts – based on flair, voodoo, sophisticated software or whatever. For obvious reasons, they probably are in the silent minority?
& # 8230; My views were radically altered after reading the book “Way Of The Turtle” by Curtis Faith. The experiment described in that book shows that even when a profitable trading system is made available and taught to individual traders, the results obtained is likely to be very divergent – some traders will always lose no matter what you do, while some will win.
Lastly, I think we should adopt ideas from the “80-20 Rule” A book written by a great author whose name escapes me now. In all fields of human endeavour, only a few make the most revenues while majority just get by. Think of Michael Jackson vs millions of other talented musicians who never made it to the limelight. Think of Mike Tyson vs hundreds (thousands) of other boxers sweating it out in the gym without a break. Think of great soccer talents all over the ghettos of the world dreaming of playing alongside Neymar (don’t think of what the guy earns per week – you won’t be able to trade Fx anymore :-). The bitter truth is this: FX trading is an unforgiving business. To be successful, your trading prowess has to be at rockstar level or at least not too far behind. In the English soccer league, average performers still make it – in FX, average performers lose their shirt. Only the rock stars smile to the bank. 따라서 & # 8211; given the huge odds against success, why do the mob seem to rush into FX?
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February 1, by Ace and Rich 21 Comments. 이 편향된 부 (富) 생성기 리뷰에서 우리는 웰 생성기가 사기 또는 벽 거리에서의 우승 기회인지 평가할 것입니다. 금융 시장은 여전히 네트워크 마케팅 분야에서 매우 잘하고 있으며 웰 생성기 (Wealth Generators)는 웹에서 윙윙 거리고 있습니다. The information in this post is for generic purposes and can be applied to any type of network marketing or MLM business opportunity.
우리가 여기서 언급 한 응답이 있습니다. 주식 시장이라는 용어의 정의는 투자자가 특정 국가 내의 주식을 사고 파는 물리적 위치를 가리키는 것입니다. 뉴스에 사람들이 올 자마자. Which is why a year-old billion dollar company known as Wealth Generators is currently in prelaunch with their first MLM opportunity to give the people the chance to participate in successful online trading with their membership program.
이 회사는 유타 주 솔트 레이크 시티에 위치하고 있으며 온라인 금융 교육 업계의 개척자로 여겨지는 3 명의 창립자 라이언 스미스 (Ryan Smith)와 차드 밀러 (Chad Miller)가 운영하고 있습니다. 아네트 레이너 (Annette Raynor)는 설립자이기도하며 IT 업계에서 20 년 이상의 경험을 쌓았으며 금융 업계에서 10 년을 보냈습니다. 체중 감량 음료, 스킨 로션 및 에너지 서비스와 같은 소비재를 판매하는 다른 금융 MLM 회사와는 달리. 웰스 제너레이터 (Wealth Generators)는 웰스 제너레이터 보상 플랜 (Well Generators Compensation Plan)을 통해 기회를 얻는 회원들에게 소득을 얻을 수 있도록 돕는 단순한 플랫폼 그 이상입니다.
배울 수있는 가장 좋은 방법은 응용 프로그램을 통해서이며, 그것이 바로 웰스 제너레이터가하는 것입니다. 비록이 회사가 전문 상인의 기술을 배울 수있는 많은 선전으로 승진되었지만, 회원 자격이 당신에게 옳은 질문이 남아 있습니다.
보상에 더 많은 것이 있으므로 부 생성기에 관해 당신에게 말한 대표자에게 돌아 가십시오. 자격이있는 한, 매월 자격이 유지되는 한만 해당됩니다. Please be aware that this bonus replaces the Wealth Club bonus. 우리는 WG가 제공하는 정보에 상당히 감명 받았고 이미 사람들은 주식 거래 부서에 관심을 갖고 있기 때문에 이미 성공을 거두고 있음을 인정해야합니다.
경쟁사보다 더 똑똑하게 일해야하며 최신 디지털 마케팅 기술을 익혀야 만 친구와 추천자와 이야기하는 것보다 시장에 더 매력적으로 가치를 더할 수 있습니다. 이 게시물에서 가치를 얻었다면 잠시 시간을 내셔서 아래에 의견을 남기시고이 게시물을 친구들과 공유하십시오!
함께 그들은 열망하는 기업가가 마케팅 기술을 개발하도록 돕는 것에 대한 열정을 공유합니다. 그들은 모두 해변, 고급 식당, 쇼핑, 전자 트랜스 음악, 로맨스 및 코미디에 공통의 관심사를 공유합니다. 함께 그들은 매사추세츠에 아들과 함께 살고 있습니다. 에이스와 리치는 부의 발전기에 대한 훌륭한 재평가입니다.
WakeUpNow의 가을 이후 Paycation을 많이 보았습니다. 대부분의 사람들이 Paycation과 부분적으로는 부의 생성자가되었을 때였습니다.
Most of my friends on Facebook keep filling up my news feed with information on Paycation which is quite annoying lol .
필자는 이러한 새로운 기업이 준수 또는 리더가 손을 뗄 지 오래 지속될 것인지 궁금해합니다. Truvision도 또한 증가하고 있습니다. 희망 당신은 그 하나에 대한 리뷰를! 주의를 기울이고 신의 축복을 받으십시오.
좋은 댓글 Yemcy을 가져 주셔서 감사합니다! Yes, in fact I did already write a review about Truvision and here is the post right here http: Paycation is not a new company. They have been around a long time without even cracking the dsn top You might have them confused with WorldVentures. 그래, 그들은 큰 수표를 가진 사람을 가지고있다. 그러나 그의 MLM 계획에 가입하기 위해 사람들을 사기로하지 않고 주식으로부터 돈을 벌었다는 증거는 어디에 있는가?
이 리뷰를 쓰는 것은 도전적 이었지만 분명히 뭔가 비린내가되었습니다. The people from wakeupnow starter disrupt which is the same thing they have the same energy drink thunder except its a little different.
사실이 아닌 말을하기 전에 더 많은 정보를 얻으십시오. 나는 실제로 그것의 거래 양상을 더 많이 사용했고, 큰 일을 해왔다. 나는 실제로 무역 그룹을 가지고 있고, 우리 모두는 앉아서 함께 거래하고 우리가 할 때 미친 이익을 낸다. 나는 이것이 내 인생의 많은 재미와 최선의 결정이라고 생각한다.
내 결과를 게시하고 친구들이 Facebook 페이지에 내 결과를 게시합니다. 너는 자유롭게 나를 추가 할 수있는 방법을 더 많이 가르쳐 줄 수있어 무역하는 법. 솔직히이 모집은 실제로 누군가가 실제로 거래하도록 가르 칠 수있을 때 실제로 일어난다. 그리고 그들은 돈을 벌 수있다. singnals는 단지 보너스 lmao 다. 그러나 심각하게 Facebook에 나를 추가하십시오! 그는 그렇게 닥치지 않은 것을 얼마나 자랑스럽게 생각하니?
그래서 똥을 게시하지 않는 이유가 있습니다. WG의 소유자는 WUN과는 아무런 관련이 없습니다. 어리석은 말을하기 전에 몇 가지 조사를하십시오. 내 사촌이 관련되어 실제로 돈을 벌고있는 이유는 무엇입니까? 당신은 완전히 한심한 것처럼 들립니다. 거대한 파이프 이익과 대부분의 거래가 승자 였는지에 대해 나는 들었다. 나는 그들과 한 달에왔다. 그리고 그들이 우리에게 줬던 거래는 거의 없다. 그리고 그들 사이에서, 그리고 그들이 우승자라면 그렇게 나쁘지 않을 것이다. 이익 실현은 비현실적이었다.
이 모든 경험을 가진 소위 전문가는 거래에서 저의 11 세 이전보다 낫지 않습니다. 이 회사에서 멀리 떨어져 돈을 절약하십시오. Thats 그들이 왜 많은 롤 거래가 havent 이유. 임 꽤 확신 그들은 일주일에 한 번 이상 매주 3 팩을 교환해야합니다. 그래서 나는 그들이 최선을 다했다고 생각합니다. 무역 경보는 항상 승리하지는 않지만 전반적으로 장기간에 걸쳐 얻는 경향이 있습니다. 나쁜 최근 시장 상황에서의 손실 이후에도.
그러나 교육과 주식 및 외환 거래 및 투자에 관심이있는 사람들과의 연결로 가치가 상당합니다. 그리고 좋은 돈 관리 소프트웨어 및 자원. 그것의 사기를 말하는 사람들을 위해, 진실하게 너 자신을 교육 시키십시오. 당신은 wg에서 1 톤의 가치를 얻습니다. 가치를 보지 않으면 조인하지 마십시오. 사기를 의미하지 않습니다. 나는 무역을 배우고 싶은 사람들을위한 절대적으로 멋진 포럼이라고 생각합니다.
나는 실제로 그것의 거래 양상을 더 많이 사용했고, 훌륭하게 해왔다. 솔직히이 일에 모집하는 것은 실제로 일어납니다. 사람들은 당신이 좋아지기 시작하고 배우는 방법을 알고 싶어합니다! Might be why they all have so much money lol when you can teach someone to trade actually and they make money the singnals are just a added bonus lmao.
나는 팀이 자신을 구축하기 시작할 제품의 제품이되면 깨달았 기 때문에 대부분의 시간을 거래에 집중합니다. 왜냐하면이게 얼마나 수익성이 좋은지 알고 싶기 때문입니다. February 1, by Ace and Rich 21 Comments In this unbiased Wealth Generators Review we are going to evaluate whether or not Wealth Generators is a scam or an opportunity to win wall street. 주식 거래 시장에서 잠재적 인 플레이어에게 주식 거래 정보를 제공하는 것이 합법적입니까?
모든 패키지는 당신이 가장 원하는 패키지입니다. The responses we have stated here are based on our collective industry experience and credibility with the internet marketing and network marketing industries. 웰스 생성자 보상 플랜에 참여하는 3 가지 방법이 있습니다. All 3 Packages includes monthly or weekly 3 Pack PV. Bonus Plan Levels of Achievement are: The bottom line here is simply this, you are going to need more leads than you have time for and always understand that each time you have someone reject your offer or opportunity you are leaving money on the table.
Most of my friends on Facebook keep filling up my news feed with information on Paycation which is quite annoying lol I wonder how long these new companies will last once their compliance or leaders get out of hand, Truvision is also on the rise as well. 편견없는 검토에 감사드립니다. 환영 해 주셔서 감사합니다. LOL Nice to see them hiding under a new name. 귀하의 Etrade 계정의 스크린 샷을 보여주십시오.
Wg forex. WG hit my city a few months ago and EVERYONE joined. I asked around and found out it was forex trading. Not sure where you are based, but Neno is a real nice guy who's made a lot of money, but I don't like the system.. WG is a pyramid scheme and he's at the top. There is money to be made somewhere.
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본질적으로, 주말에만 밈을 게시하십시오. Any ever heard of Wealth Generators? I see alot of people on Instagram who are apart of this mlm company. Where they receive indicators and signals by 20 yrs. They are also giving a compensation for referral efforts. Thank you everyone for responding. If any one has experience with this please let me know. And please leave any advice you can think of. This is both of those things.
Forget indicators and initially forget technical analysis. Set the chart to monthly, open up the central bank websites for the pair you want to trade and youtube; Go through their material and reports, if you don't understand a term, youtube an explanation for it. Most of them are well explained. Once you get a grounding on how fundementals work, and what the majority of proffessional traders are actually thinking about, then get into basic technicals starting at trendlines, then patterns, then candlesticks, then finally EMAs, and then after all of that and months of study go into indicators.
The general idea is if someone is making a fortune trading, why would they share their secret? Forex is a zero sum game. Anything fancy they have, was bought with scam money. I asked around and found out it was forex trading.
Not sure where you are based, but Neno is a real nice guy who's made a lot of money, but I don't like the system..
WG is a pyramid scheme and he's at the top. There is money to be made somewhere in the system there but it's gutless. I know exactly who you're talking about. I figured a lot of the money he's gotten was from the recruiting he's doing, mostly on FB and showing his profits. It's getting those people hooked. One thing I noticed he does is he holds sessions with people and he makes trades and gets them profit which is interesting.
In his videos, he's been pretty honest that he lost a lot of money in the beginning but stayed with it. So it's not blatantly lying to everyone. I can't blame people for joining like mad. The profits that he puts up, it gets people going crazy.
Yep I agree, I've got him on facebook and we've talked a few times over the phone. Nice guy for sure, but I still don't really want to feed my money into the system.
Whether or not you can make profits, I don't have the money to throw into it monthly. My friend is close with Logan Shippy, one of the top earners of the company.
I was in WG for a few months. It is not a pyramid scheme. I was able to make a team of 50 and everyone on my team to my knowledge made money off it. You get a couple trade alerts via a week. They are usually accurate. Their education system isn't very good. Baby Pips is much better for that.
The compensation plan is really the only good part. I left for a couple reasons. First off, there was a lot of drama. The top earners seem to hate each other. My friend who is a top earner has beef with Logan Shippy and they would take shots at each other via social media which created armies of people shit talking the other.
Secondly, I didn't feel morally right about it. I was selling info that you can for free. Do I recommend it? Unless you want to get into network marketing I don't think it's a good idea. It's a brutal business. Yes they are the biggest joke in history, and don't understand about how the FX markets move, or how money moves around, or probably don't even know what GDP stands for. The people you see on instagram are fake, they don't actually trade FX. ForexJesus if you are looking for a real trader ;.
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거래 게시 거래를 게시 하시겠습니까? Memes Memes는 때로는 우스운 일이지만, 우리는 거래 시간 동안 여기에서 그들을 원하지 않습니다. 이것은 보관 된 게시물입니다. 투표 또는 논평을 할 수 없습니다. I am a newbie trader, just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with it themselves? 토론에 추가하고 싶습니까? You have to find the secret yourself, if it exists. You can learn forex free. Nevertheless, at the end of the day it is not a scam but not something I suggest. Watch their YouTube videos.
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